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C. Hawaiian Wedding Song 'Virgin' x self

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    Default C. Hawaiian Wedding Song 'Virgin' x self

    Here's a self cross that I attempted on 09/01/2008.
    I did not take pictures of the actual pollination process, as it is just the same as any other cattleya pollination process.

    I crossed two flowers (pollen from one, going to the stigma of the other, and vice versa).

    Here are the two pods on 09/07/2008. The pods grew fast considering they are only 6 days old at this point.


    Since both pods were progressing nicely, I decided to cut one pod to allow the plant to focus more energy on one pod.

    Here is the seed pod on 09/23/2008. This pod will be HUGE!


    I plan on having a lab or professional flasking service process these seeds for me. I just cant get the time to practice and get the equipment for performing the flasking myself.

    Since this is a self cross, I am not expecting much variation on the offspring. But who knows, I might hit the lottery and end up with an exceptional variation

    It will probably be another 5 to 7 months before this seed pod matures. So we will see what happens then.
    I looked at the seed maturation chart and cattleyas depending on the parentage can take from 5 to 9 months.

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    That is exciting! I hope you do 'hit the lottery' and end up with amazing results! Best of luck! Please keep us updated here on your progress.

    Cheers,
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    John--that is going to be a big ol' pod. I just PM'd you with the lab information you asked about. Good luck with this one!

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    Here's the pod today. And still growing!


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    Seriously HUGE! Any luck finding a lab?

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    You should get some variation. It is not like selfing a species you juggled the genes from Catt. Claesiana and Catt Angel Bells. You should still get a white Catt but not necessarily identical to your parent.

    John, do to the expense to flask it, and replate it and then years of growing it on until they bloom...is it worth it? What are you looking to get out of the cross? I try to think along those lines before I pull out the tooth picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron-NY View Post
    John, do to the expense to flask it, and replate it and then years of growing it on until they bloom...is it worth it? What are you looking to get out of the cross? I try to think along those lines before I pull out the tooth picks.
    Ron, everything is still up in the air right now.
    I'm still taking baby steps when it comes to making new hybrids. I'm just trying to learn more and more and go one step further than the last time.

    Maybe when I have the resources and time to actually complete a hybrid attempt I can select two high quality parents to aim for a desirable result.

    But for now: I want to see for myself how long this seed pod takes to mature, how big it gets and what happens to the plant during this "pregnancy" period.

    Sarah,
    I did some googling on flask labs and they ARE expensive! lol. Not worth the expense when I just want to mess around with random hybrids.

    One day, when I have found the two select parents that I really want to cross, then I will definitely consider hiring a lab.
    But for now, I think the "redneck flasking" technique is becoming more appealing as each day passes.
    Worst thing that can happen is I create a bunch of fungi culture that I can toss into my sandy soil in the backyard to add some organic matter into it.

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    Go for it ! there are a couple of labs that are not too expensive but doing it yourself gives you the experience for later on . Bty the STOP. Catt Hawaiian Wedding Song is doing well, new growths ect .. Gin

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    Has anyone ever tried putting seeds on a section of moss as this is how they do it in nature?? I have often wondered if you had a nice tree or rock with some healthy moss on it why you couldn't try putting seeds or even seedlings on it. I may try it someday, first I need a big tree with moss growing on it. My neighbor has a huge old palm that may fit the bill and get experimented on someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cjcorner View Post
    Has anyone ever tried putting seeds on a section of moss as this is how they do it in nature?? I have often wondered if you had a nice tree or rock with some healthy moss on it why you couldn't try putting seeds or even seedlings on it. I may try it someday, first I need a big tree with moss growing on it. My neighbor has a huge old palm that may fit the bill and get experimented on someday.
    Connie
    It is still possible to do that these days, but the odds really work against you specially if you are trying to raise hybrids.
    Some of the seeds would be duds from the start.
    Some of the seeds would actually be parasitized by the micorhizal fungi and end up dead.
    Some of the seeds dont even make contact with the micorhizal fungi.
    A bunch of other factors would result in some of the other seeds not germinating.

    The goal of flask propagation is to increase your "shotgun" dice roll and hope that you have enough germination to actually have a large enough pool to select a worthwhile hybrid. Even with artificial propagation you might still end up with an all-dud batch.

    With the natural (moss, wild micorhizal fungi, etc), you further reduce your chances even before the seeds germinate. Who knows, that awesome potential award winning hybrid seed might have been killed by the fungus.

    Perhaps with species, the roulette narrows down a bit since there would be very little variance between the seeds and whatever survives in the moss could be said to represent those that did not make it.

    It would be virtually impossible in my case anyway. Since I routinely treat my greenhouse with fungicide every year as winter approaches, I might have already killed any potential micorhizal fungi that lived here.

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