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This is a discussion on now what within the Breeding & Hybridization forums, part of the Orchid Propagation category; ok so I have been reading on here, and my mom has an orchid I ...

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    ok so I have been reading on here, and my mom has an orchid I want to brreed with itself. So I take the pollen off and I think I know where from what you said, but now what? Where does it go? And I don't mean any of that noidy poidy shniz shnaz, I just couldn't find a place to put it when I took a bottom flower apart and I don't want to ruin another flower. Can somebody help?

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    Put the pollenia in the stigma, which is a kinda sticky depression on the underside of the column, right opposite the lip. Just push them in there, and they should stick.

    It's more likely to take if you use newly opened flowers.

    Please repost if that wasn't clear enough, or if you have further questions.

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    ok thank you Sue. So the stigma is the hollow place that is a little bit more toward the front, under where the pollen was. Right? Or is it up more? It is hard to describe if I have the right place. It does not look sticky. I guess it was the pollen becaus eit looked a little bit brownish yellow and there was one on each side. They came off pretty easy. I just don't know if I can get it there without busting another the flwer apart. Is there a way maybe a trick or something?

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    and also how long will it take for the seeds to grow?

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    Hi Jeffo, welcome to the forum! I PM'd Sue last night and he said he was going to post a flower "diagram" in the next couple days where all of the structures you need to know about for breeding will be labeled. So hang in there!

    And it takes between 7 to 9 months for an orchid's seed pod to develop to the point where you can cut it off and send it to a lab for flasking. However, if you've pollinated a flower successfully, the seed pod should start to swell (just behind the bloom, which will fall off) within a couple of weeks.

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    9 months???? My mom will kill it way before then that is for sure. This is one that I bought her for mothers day and I think that I will have to put it in my room and tell her not to touch it or else.

    Thank you lja and I will wait for the diagram.

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    I think I'd advise against pollinating it. Orchids are usually sold pretty young, and sometimes (especially with mass-produced Phalaenopsis such as those one might find in a Lowe's or boxstore) they are induced to flower at a very early age. Producing fruit and seed is taxing on a plant, and a young or not yet established plant will often abort the fruit or will be have its health compromised by the process of producing the fruit. I would advise you to let the plant grow for a couple more years before you try breeding with it. No matter what, it'll take around three years at the least until you would see any of its progeny bloom. Patience will be required anyhow, and success is much more likely if you have some of that patience now. Also, if you haven't read the first FAQ, you may not be aware of the difficulty of getting orchid seed to germinate.

    At any rate: the stigma is on the underside of the column, opposite the lip. It will be just a little bit further into the flower than the anther cap was.

    Picture soon.

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    ok thank you Sue. I could not find it for sure so I will wait for your diagram. I told my mother that I will buy her another orchid because I already took apart 3 flowrs on this one. There are two more and some that are not open yet. Can I put the pollen into the same flower that I took it off of or does it have to be a new flower?

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    Originally posted by Jeffo
    ok thank you Sue. I could not find it for sure so I will wait for your diagram. I told my mother that I will buy her another orchid because I already took apart 3 flowrs on this one. There are two more and some that are not open yet. Can I put the pollen into the same flower that I took it off of or does it have to be a new flower?

    Thank you.

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    Hehe. Good for you for getting your mother a new one. Sounds like you are a very enthusiastic and curious person.

    You can use the same flower if you remove and insert the pollen at the same sitting. Otherwise, you risk letting the flower begin to wilt before it begins producing fruit.

    The pollenia, by the way, will keep for a very long time, especially if you store them in a small plastic or glossy magazine-page envelope in the refrigerator.

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    I put them on paper like you said and I mushed them around to see what was inside but they dried up now so I will have to get more from a new flower when I know where it has to go. I looked at some pictures here and my orchid is the phalenopsis kind that my mom thinks is really pretty and that they grow in the jungle so I really want to make more of them. But 3 years is a very long time but it will be ok if I just make the seeds grow and get new plants even if they do not grow big enough to make flowers. That will be very cool because it will be a very good science project that I will have to do for my class next year.

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