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Could this be a Keiki on my Iwan Appleblossom?

This is a discussion on Could this be a Keiki on my Iwan Appleblossom? within the Cattleya Information forums, part of the Frequently Asked Questions category; I was admiring my new acquisition (Iwanagaara Appleblossom) today and I noticed what looks like ...

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    Default Could this be a Keiki on my Iwan Appleblossom?

    I was admiring my new acquisition (Iwanagaara Appleblossom) today and I noticed what looks like a 'stem with a leaf' growing out of the flower sheath - & I think there's one coming on another pseudo bulb, too.
    Can it possibly be a keiki? I haven't heard of this on Catts before, but it's the only thing I can think of, although I can't see any roots as yet.
    If so, what care do I need to give it? Should I leave it, or remove it for the sake of the plant?
    If it isn't - what is this plant doing? It looks strong and healthy as far as I can see....
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    it is just an abnormal pseudobulb/growth. Not a keiki IMO.

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    I don't think 'keikis' really happen with Catts, since every new growth is essentially a new, baby plant complete with it's own leaves, root system etc. Not sure what's going on here - I think your plant may have had some radiation. haha

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    Many genetic mutations deformaties and faults exist and one cause is over hybridising with poor due dilligence and economic motivations. There are wonderful hybrids out there and has become apparent that some growers are repulsed by ;not natural' can refer to intergenerics. Initially the primary objective to hybridise is to create new genetic design whereby weaknesses can be eliminated and strengths become dominant. Motivation here with financial gain, horticultural curiosity diversity. Ofcourse its not always a good result increasing weaknesses and adding new ones can result. Incompetence leads to failure in rejecting and discarding, somewhat compromised results with continued additional use of runt orchids.

    Overdosed Superthrive hormones have been observed in resulting deformity and deficiency in macro/micro nutrients. With such an overwheming mass production of phals to meet consumer demand, parentage has long sailed away and those not so good hybrid results have been unfortunately continued to be included .

    Nature always finds a way and hybridisation can occur naturally in the wild but ofcourse there is no time structure i.e weeks/ months/ hours in the wild, a timeless clock. Genetic signatures find a way and mothernnature holds the key to plants future= proceed or terminate. She does not suffer fools and displays zero tolerance for weakness.

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    Keikis definitely do occur in Cattleya alliance plants, rarely, and that is exactly the position they occur. In this case it looks like it could be just a pseudobulb that grew an extra node for some reason, kind of a throw-back to the Caularthron bicornutum grandparent that does have distinctly multi-jointed pseudobulbs. There is no evidence that it is a mutation or abnormal in any way, or caused by anything you did, or the breeder or propagator did. Sometimes unusual things just happen.

    It is of no harm to the plant, no more drain on resources than any new leaf. Like any other new green tissue it ultimately adds to the strength of the plant. If it does eventually produce some roots it can be removed and potted up on its own when it has 2 or 3 roots a couple inches long. The plant looks very healthy, just keep doing whatever you're doing.

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    Thank you everyone,
    I will leave well alone for now, and watch.....
    I didn't know that the Caularthron grandparent does this, but it's fascinating when a familial tendency asserts itself, & I have learned something new.
    At the very least it gives the plant its own distinct "personality" - and taking after such a lovely grandparent is no bad thing!

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    Yes exactly as Kirk pointed out, you will also see such Keiki like growths in Epicats, reedy epidendrums tend to pass this characteristic on to their offsprings. Unusual but not abnormal.

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    i have seen this twice in the greenhouse where i work...one was a Myrmecophilia tibicinis and the other was a NOID cattleya...both were grown in a little more shade than needed...and the flower spike somehow formed a pseudobulb...must check to see if any rooots have formed...i know hard cane dendrobiums turn flower spikes into adventitious growths when roots are rotted or a deficiency occurs...Now C.bicornutum is native to me country and i have some wild ones as well as line bred ones....the pseudobulbs do have a jointed little thing going at the leaf nodes but they dont do what your plant is doing there...in conclusion its probably a slight cultural deficiency...not a virus or a mutation of any kind #relax

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    My sister's SLC Jewel Box 'Dark Waters' has thrown a keiki, complete with roots, in just this location. I've never seen it in a catt before, but the keiki has continued to delvelop nicely (though it is quite small), and has good root growth and apparently normal eyes that have formed a proper lead.
    Must say 'cultural deficiency' could define her growimg methods lol. Shade, yeah, it's in a pretty healthy golden rain tree, and looks like it would like more light.

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    i vote this was a keiki.....?

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