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Cattleya purpurata X Cattleya loddigesii

This is a discussion on Cattleya purpurata X Cattleya loddigesii within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Cattleya purpurata X Cattleya loddigesii Cheers Vincent...

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    Default Cattleya purpurata X Cattleya loddigesii


    Cattleya purpurata X Cattleya loddigesii

    Cheers
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    Very soft colors. A nice Cattleya. AL

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    Vincent are you sure?? Looks a bit different to me. Does not show typical purpurata influences.

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    If this is the correct cross, which I am not sure it is, it has been named. It is now called: Cattleya Sallieri (C. loddigesii x C. purpurata)

    It is a really beautiful bloom, but most purpurata blooms have much thiner and longer petals. This one seems almost round in form. Cattleya loddigesii has a very round bloom, but the lip typically really long and more closed. I think this orchid has Cattleya lodigesii in it, but is crossed with something other than purpurata. I will leave it to someone who grows this one to make that determination though.

    Cheers,
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    Missed this reply, Thanks BD...

    Vincent

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal_Dreamer View Post
    If this is the correct cross, which I am not sure it is, it has been named. It is now called: Cattleya Sallieri (C. loddigesii x C. purpurata)

    It is a really beautiful bloom, but most purpurata blooms have much thiner and longer petals. This one seems almost round in form. Cattleya loddigesii has a very round bloom, but the lip typically really long and more closed. I think this orchid has Cattleya lodigesii in it, but is crossed with something other than purpurata. I will leave it to someone who grows this one to make that determination though.

    Cheers,
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    I can understand where the questions about purpurata as a parent are coming from, but I think there isn't enough evidence to seriously question it. The one picture I can find of Sallieri has quite an open lip, much like this, as do some loddigesii. In this shot we can't really see the length of the lip at all. Some clones of purpurata have petals at least this broad, and loddigesii can have extremely broad short overlapping petals. We have to assume that the parents were not typical for their species, but would have been selected clones with broad petals and open lips. Also, Sallieri was registered in 1895 so this is most likely a recent remake with superior parents available, or it would be labeled Sallieri rather than the cross. The leaves appear to have some of the long, nearly upright stance of purpurata, and the petals have a touch of the purpurata roll.

    All in all I think it is labeled correctly, and quite a nice example of a classic hybrid. Thanks for posting it Vincent. Could we possible get a picture of the flower from the side or a whole plant shot?

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    Paph..I might not be able to get picture of it again until it blooms again at the nursery. I took this picture at a nursery sometime back.


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    By accident I found this thread from Jan. 2011.
    For whom it may concern I want to point out some observation from my side.

    1) Flower shape together with the sepal and petal shape are very similar to nowadays improved C. loddigesii flowers.

    2) Lip veins, specially at the lip border are a match to C. purpurata lip veins.

    3) Petal veins, specially at the border are also a match to C. purpurata petal veins.

    4) The leafs are matching C. purpurata leafs.

    In my opinion it is C. Sallieri (C. lodgesii x C. purpurata) specially because the nursery also labeled the plant as such.
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    I love this thread- it is very satisfying. I applaud KIRK for his clearly worded and knowledgeable reasoning which is beautifully compelling.

    And HORST well done for illustrating the issue. This is really fine collaboration between all you guys- for everyone's benefit! (I have been both enlightened and entertained- and that's as good as it gets.)

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    Pretty shape and I love the coloring on the lip.

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