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Cattleya walkerinter var coerulea

This is a discussion on Cattleya walkerinter var coerulea within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Originally Posted by Halloamey Thank you Horst for taking out time and doing some research ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloamey View Post
    Thank you Horst for taking out time and doing some research for me. But I am not quite sure of the parentage you have put up. Lc. mini purple is Laelia now Cattleya pumila x Cattleya walkeriana. Both of which have excellent forms for petals and lips. Secondly what is important is the direction of the cross. Flowers of C. intermedia X C. walkeriana will be different from C. walkeriana X C. intermedia. The pod parent (second parent) has a much greater impact on flower form and plant form than the pollen parent (first parent). So C. walkerinter is expected to be more like intermedia than like walkeriana, in case of a reciprocal cross, where walkeriana is the pod parent flowers with better form could be expected I think. Food formed coerulea intermedias are rare, so I think hybridizing a walkeriana coeruea with my orlata ennio will bea good cross. Thanks I really enjoyed the nice discussion we had.
    Discussion is not over. Let me tease you a little more.
    A good quality C. Walkerinter is made, or with a good C. walkeriana as you pointed out, or with a good quality C. intermedia as a pod parent, or both together.
    Making a cross with C. intermedia flameas and C. intermedia aquinadas gives the hybridizer a 80% chance to get large petals and sepals specially if crossed with a good C. walkeriana which has also large petals and sepals.
    And the offspring will look very similar to my C. Cariad's Mini Quinee.
    Only the lip will be more like a C. intermedia lip.
    If you use C. intermedia 'Ennio' you will not get the bluish purple color variety coerulea.
    Maybe you should use the attached C.intermedia var. coerulea/flamea "Provence". LOL.
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    Horst, even though these intermedias have good forms, I really do not like pelorics, so flammeas and aquinas is out of question. They seem to pass on the peloric nature to their offspring. Yes the cross with Ennio will most probably not result in a coerulea, but there is a chance that some might turn out close. The real search would is then for a good quality non peloric intermedia coerulea with good form. Also how about crossing this present walkerinter with C. walkeriana coerulea 'Blue moon'. I have it, not in bloom currently though. Will have to wait. Let me know what you think.

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    You don't like pelorics!
    The next step is exactly what you did point out. Use any good walkeriana. With only one negative outcome. The lip will not improve.
    Any other coerulea species, primary hybrid or multiple hybrid with a good lip will give you a better result.

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    Thanks Horst, I can buy the exact reciprocal cross, it is also called walkerinter coerulea, but it is intermedia coerulea X walkeriana coerulea, so the flowers have a better form, you can clearly make out the difference the flowers are more like walkeriana. I will buy this one and then may be cross both, that I think will be a good idea. What say you? I am Pming you the link to the nursery and adding the picture here for everyone else, so much difference just due to the direction of the cross, same parents and everything, amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horst View Post
    You don't like pelorics!
    Yeah, to date I have liked just one peloric, I don't have that, but I have a burana beauty, I didn't know it was a peloric when I bought it. I like more of the natural types, pelorics are a bit freaky and artificial for me LOL.

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    Hi Amey, thanks for posting this orchid ! It is lovely.

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