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Cattleya Pastorale semi-alba

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    A lovely old cattleya - what's more to say ?

    I have not shown many catts lately - I am ashamed of their condition ; I have had a couple of spells this year when my orchids simply had to be neglected - strange to say there are things more important ! and when I got back to them I was horrified to see how rapidly they had gone downhill . Whereas , looking after them properly I would find half a dozen plants with the odd scale insect ( immediately cleaned off) when I got back I found serious infections on many plants. My locum who has looked after my plants when I have been away for several years now, has it appear been diagnosed with some form of dementia - and sprayed the plants early in the morning when the 400watt sun lamps were on - resulting in the bulbs shattering and glass shards scattered over many of them . He was sufficiently sane to get help to turn the power back on ( he had fused everything of course ) and then - my speculation - tried to wash the glass off by using a high pressure hose .... I found the compost completely sodden and roots rotting - I giuess they had been like that for several weeks.

    Have you ever thought that orchid growing is very character forming ? patience, good humour, fortiitude , all essentials for the orchid grower ...

    Of course I am not allowed to own a gun in Uk - this is not America, maybe a good thing...

    But now I have some flowers to look at. Its not all bad... and at least it can't get any worse, can it ? As we used to say in the blitz when I was a lad - keep smiling !

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    Oh, I am sorry to hear about your plants! Glad you have this lovely catt to gaze on though!

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    Shame about your plants. Ah well, the gent meant well.

    Nice form on this catt.



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    That sounds a bit like a slapstick routine.
    When I saw the name of your plant, I remembered the name Pastoral (or Pastorale) 'Innocence', which I remembered to be a large white. I checked the awards, and found that my memory was correct. Rlc. Pastoral 'Innocence' FCC/AOS (C. Mademoiselle Louise Pauwels x Rlc. Deese). Strangely enough, the RHS shows both Rlc. Pastoral and Rlc. Pastorale, both with the same parents. Do you think the RHS database has screwed this up?

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    I'm so sorry to hear about your plants! This bad caretaker thing seems to be going around. I hope you'll be able to salvage them. In the meantime I'd suggest a shot...not a gun shot, but the alcohol variety...i'll have one for you too. Two bad caretakers in one week...i'm never leaving home!

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    Ouch. Sorry to hear that... Orchid-growing MOST definitely teaches us to be patient...

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    Nice one , sorry to hear about the orchids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Saar View Post
    That sounds a bit like a slapstick routine.
    When I saw the name of your plant, I remembered the name Pastoral (or Pastorale) 'Innocence', which I remembered to be a large white. I checked the awards, and found that my memory was correct. Rlc. Pastoral 'Innocence' FCC/AOS (C. Mademoiselle Louise Pauwels x Rlc. Deese). Strangely enough, the RHS shows both Rlc. Pastoral and Rlc. Pastorale, both with the same parents. Do you think the RHS database has screwed this up?
    There are a lot of "funnies" in the RHS database ..but.the Register could only be pure at the expense of offending so many people and missing some important plants off.
    A lot of the very old crosses - especially Paphs ( or maybe it because its paphs I looked at most frequently) have as their parents listed as "Unknown x Unknown"...
    And, I have Paph Mars cv "Neptune" and also Paph Neptune cv "Mars" - the same plant – it’s not supposed to be registrable twice…
    Another example, the practice now is to refuse registration unless both parents are named... but hold on a minute, try Onc ( or Colmanara or whatever intergeneric name you want to put in front ) Masai Red – registered in 2007 - the parents are “Unknown x Unknown” . Why ? The unofficial explanation ( I have not asked for an official one) is to do with CITES. There is one exception to CITES in Europe – you don’t need a permit to import hybrids in flower, if they are registered and on a list agreed with all the authorities. This is to allow the Dutch to sell their industrially mass produced orchids around the world, and likewise the Taiwanese… ( Customs officers can look at the picture in the list, and if the flowers agree – then no Permit needed. But in a pure register Masai Red wouldn’t be there . ( a rare example of common ense, perhaps ? )

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    I'm so sorry, Geoff! I'm still reeling in the aftermath of a similar incident myself - although my demented erstwhile caretaker can't claim actual senile dementia as an excuse. I lost most of my collection under her "care" (in a Kew greenhouse replica, mind you), and the remainder are tagless.

    So.... you've focussed on a beautiful catt that survived - good for you - it IS lovely. NOW, what are you going to do? You must feel so overwhelmed, I can't imagine. Glass shards everywhere? Please bear in mind that no orchid is worth severing a major artery for! I just left a thread elsewhere asking how to know when it's time to quit the rescue operation - now I read you are in much the same boat (yours is more Royal Navy, mine more of a curragh, but boats just the same). How will you go about this? (I'm guessing that RHS registration peccadilloes won't play TOO large a part).

    I'm so sorry to hear about the destruction - and grateful that I can observe how a truly experienced orchid grower handles it. Best of luck, and you have all my sympathy, believe me.

    Maura

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
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    .....Have you ever thought that orchid growing is very character forming ? patience, good humour, fortiitude , all essentials for the orchid grower ... ...
    Orchids do teach all of those things! Sorry about your plants. Hope they all turn around soon.

    cheers,
    BD

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