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Dendrobium microbulbon

This is a discussion on Dendrobium microbulbon within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; The pictures I posted are the real deal. Den.microbulbon is endemic to the Western Ghats ...

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    The pictures I posted are the real deal. Den.microbulbon is endemic to the Western Ghats and Sri Lanka and this plant is not out of flask. The plant pictured is a wild plant grown at the Gurukula Botanical Sanctuary in Kerala, India. Therefore there is no questioning the authenticity of the plant in the pictures I posted.

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    Presam, the question is " was that plant on your photo properly identified at the first place?"...I don't care who owns it or who grows it, wild collected plant or lab. plants. and let me tell you I can guarantee we have some mislabeled plants even in the best botanical gardens here in U.S.
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    Tom, you fail to get the point. The botanical gardens in the US have plants from all over the world so there are always problems with identification of similar species from different regions of the world. The place I photographed it is a Botanical Sanctuary that was started to preserve the native species and both elliottanum and garettii are not native to the Western Ghats, India, only Den.microbulbon is. So no chance of a mix-up. Unless you can prove either of these species is found in India. It would do you good to cross check with your source. Everyone is entitled to make a mistake. The good thing is we learn a lot from our mistakes.
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    This picture was taken by a friend Smita Raskar at Sindhdurg in Maharashtra. The one I posted earlier is from the Southern Western Ghats. This one is from the Northern Western Ghats. Notice the slight difference in how the lip doesn't open up much in the ones from the North. Tom, check if the lip on your flower has two calli. This is endemic to India, so only rely on pictures from India if you want to see the true thing. There are pictures on Flickr too.

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    Picture by Dinesh Valke on Flickr.


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    I just had a look at your earlier post as well as that by Drosera and none have calli that conform to the original. Den. microbulbon has two distinct calli. I have asked Smita Raskar who is a Botany teacher to get me line drawings as well as the description from Orchids of Bombay by Santapau & Kapadia. That should remove all the confusion that exists around this species.

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    From the Swiss Orchid foundation site.
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    Presam, I didn't fail to get your point. Your photo is not of the original plant that they used to describe the species. There might be a possibility that your plant has been mislabeled as well, don't you think?
    My Den. microbulbon is not in bloom, but based on my photo, I do see the callus. And My flower photo matched well with the one on H.P.Wood's book.

    Also, I am not really expressing my opinion on this Dendrobium. As I mentioned earlier on this thread, it is just the finding of two experts...Perhaps in this case, we need to look at the original description which I have no access to it now. I know nothing about you and those who you just mentioned but Higgins and O'Byne are well-known taxonomist/Botanist... AOS species identification task force asked them for help..., both of them confirmed those mislabeled plants are Den. elliotianum. and I would like to respect their opinion a bit more than yours.

    FYI, People including me found the info/photos(in general speaking) from the Swiss site are not always correct, same goes with IOSPE. and for identification I always believe the live materials are better than the old dead/dry materials.

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    On what basis do you say that the plant is not which the original drawing is based on? Do you have a copy of the original drawing by Richard? If you do have it please post it here to support your argument. I understand your opinion is based on what the experts have to say but I would rather believe in evidence. If you want to take the argument forward you have to provide me with evidence to prove your point. I know that both the Swiss Orchid Foundation as well as the IOSPE sites have plenty of mistakes though both of them have the best orchid identification sites around.

    Dendrobium microbulbon A. Rich in Ann. Sci. Nat. Ser. 2., 15:19.t.8.1841: J.D. Hook. 1890: 716; Fischer in Gamble 1928: 1415; Santapau & Kapadia 1966:87 t. 19; Abraham & Vatsala 1981:358; Joseph 1982:102; Seidenfaden in Matthew 1983:1588; Joseph 1987:138.
    D.humile Wight, Ic. Pl. Ind. Or. 5(1): 5.t. 1653.1851.
    Richard described this species based on Perrottet's collection from Ootacamund in Nilgiris.
    Occurrence : Trivandrum District.
    Distribution : Regional Endemic ( Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu).

    I am attaching a link to one of the earliest drawings by Robert Wight from his Icones Plantarum Indiae Orientalis. Please take this argument to the experts if you have to. I will only believe your argument if you can post a picture of the earlier drawing by Richard to prove your point.


    http://plantillustrations.org/illust...29&height=1080

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    Look, Presam, it is not my war to fight. If you want to fight, you can go to AOS SITF and read all the findings on this Dendrobium, and go fight with Higgins and O'Byne. If you don't know them, then obviously you don't know "much". Who is right and who is wrong? I really don't care! If you want to prove you are right about this, go talk to them and make them prove their findings.
    Again, I am only passing the findings by them. I am not try to prove anything here. Got it? Again, it is not my war to fight! I would not post any copy-righted materials here even if I have them in hand.
    Sorry if you feel offended because I would respect Higgins and O'Byne's opinion a lot more than yours. It is what it is, so get over it.

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    I do not know Higgins but I do know that Peter O' Bryne has written some excellent books on the Orchids of South-East Asia. My objective is not to fight and I do not think I have used any language to that extent. My purpose is only to take an argument forward so that it can come to a logical conclusion. This is an open forum and obviously there are a lot of people referring to it. We do not want people picking up wrong information. I have provided my side of the argument and as such it is not directed against you. It is open for anyone to debate. Please do not take this as anything against you. As for me not knowing 'much', I agree I do not. When you come from the land of the coconuts, you don't need an expert to tell you what a coconut is though you might not know what the related date palm is.

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    well, since you are on the mission and you know so much about "this home grown coconut", I think you should take the argument to Higgins who has access to all the original descriptions on this species. This species had been described by different botanists over the last hundred some years... should we believe the 19th century descriptions or the 20th century descriptions? I am not in the position to decide that, but I truly believe Higgins would have the acknowledge and formal trainings to make the call.

    Do let us know who won the pissing contest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg25 View Post
    I love it! I'm glad you included a pic of the whole plant
    I agree. Most of us grow orchids with the goal of getting it to flower. This is a unique-looking plant--whatever it might be named. Including a picture of the plant helps me identify it just in case I ever come across another plant that might look like this one. Just for kicks, I'll fix it my lexicon as Dendrobium coconutii. <S>

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