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An intersting inter-sectional Dendrobium htybrid - D. Berry "Oda"

This is a discussion on An intersting inter-sectional Dendrobium htybrid - D. Berry "Oda" within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Geoff, as has already been mentioned, Den. Berry Oda has been around for many years ...

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    Geoff, as has already been mentioned, Den. Berry Oda has been around for many years but it seems to have become particularly popular now and I've seen it for sale in all the spring shows I've been to for the last 3 or 4 years. The nursery plants look very healthy, big and floriferous but I find it a very tricky plant to flower. It doesn't seem to grow as well as Den. kingianum under my conditions (I have many dendrocoryne species and hybrids, they do particularly well for me) and I've heard from a number of friends that they also find it a shy bloomer compared to the species. I have no idea what they do at the nursery to get them to bloom like that, but my guess is that the hybrid needs more sun and warmth than Den. kingianum because of the Den. bigibbum and Den. canaliculatum parents, both of which are truly tropical and resent the cold treatment Den. kingianum needs to produce a good show.

    BTW, phalaenanthe x spatulata hybrids are a mainstay of the cut flower industry in south-east asia and there seem to be thousands of registered and unregistered hybrids between these two sections. The phalaenanthe parents always seem to be dominant and after a few generations you can't even tell that there are spatulata species in the background. There are also a few natural hybrids that are very appealing such as Den. x Superbiens (Den. bigibbum x Den. discolor).

    A number of latouria x phalaenanthe hybrids have been produced in the last few years by Roy Tokunaga from H&R Nurseries in Hawaii (he's the "father" of some famous "straight" latouria hybrids such as Den. Roy tokunaga, Nora Tokunara, Hiroshi Tokunara, Mini Snowflake, etc...). Again, the phalaenanthe parents in these inter-sectional hybrids are dominant and the latouria parents (mostly Den. spectabile and Den. alexandrae) are only noticeable in the shape and markings of the lip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serama View Post
    Geoff, as has already been mentioned, Den. Berry Oda has been around for many years
    I guess that in the past I have not had much interest in Dend. hybrids at all ( species are a another matter). I am familiar with the cut flower Phalaenopsis types in the far east, but only as flowers I have seen and maybe admired, but not as anything I have seriously thought of growing - for more than the odd moments, anyway - and certainly not ones where I have even looked at the parentage; so the info' that they are often inter-sectional was a complete surprise.
    As to culture of D.Berry - we shall have to see whether "tropical" Christchurch is more suitable than Yorkshire !

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    I'm sure you'll do better than me in your positively "barmy" southern climate. :o)

    If I remember correctly you have a number of hot-growing vandaceous species that seem to really like it in your greenhouse, so giving it a bit more heat than you would give a Den. kingianum shouldn't be a problem for you. I, on the other hand, try and try to grow a few hot-growing species that i really like (in particular spatulata dendrobiums) but they invariably go to orchid heaven after a year or two. I'm still to find one that likes to grow in my intermediate to cool set up. :o(

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    A super healthy looking dendrobium. Cannot wait to see it in full bloom!

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    Interesting how the sections influence this though! I've seen Mini Pearl, it never appealed to me much because the phalananthe biggibum is sooo dominant in the flower type and I prefer spatulatas. I still see it in this flower, but there is a flavor from the kingianum also. The plant, however, looks pretty much just like any of the several canaliculatum hybrids I've owned/grown. Thanks for showing us this!

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    Love love love it! Wonderful!

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    i have to admit i have a negative stereotype about dendros. they are too common here as cut flowers (cheap cut flowers!!) and florists try to sell them as expensive orchids in arrangements to people who just don't know any better. i've seen florists charge 200$ and up for dendros they paid about 10$ for. and people think they are so exotic and hard to find just because they are orchids. no idea they are completely common and mass produced. i had avoided them for years until i smelled the kingianum. now i don't judge them all so harshly. there are so many types it is staggering, but in the florist trade, just those white or pink phal looking kind. those i will always avoid i think! but i do want a d. tetragonum. especially the sort with the yellow flower and the red edges. that one looks so different and exotic. not like a homely 'florist dendrobium' to me at all.

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    First off I would like to say Den Berry is a very beautiful dendro. I understand that Thai breeders today are increasingly using Den kingianum in their crosses to produce smaller plants and also to suit their more well-defined seasons as compared to the more equatorial and less defined-seasonal climate of Malaysia, Singapore and the major part of Indonessia.

    Some points raised in this thread caught my attention and that I feel need some clarification. The first concerns the dendrobium cut flowers from S E Asia which have been 'lumped' as of the phalaenopsis-type. This may be true of the Thai exports, which used to be classified as Den Pompadour and other coloured forms of Den phalaenopsis hybrids. These types grow extremely well in the Tropical Monsoon Climate of Thailand but not so well in the equatorial (no dry season) climate of Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. Thus the hybridising in these countries was towards producing a less seasonal dependent dendrobe that had the Spatulata bloodline more suited to the wetter conditions here. I think the breakthrough came with Den Lim Chong Min produced and registered by The Singapore Botanics in 1951 - Den Caesar x phalaenopsis: Caesar = D phalaenopsis x stratiotes. Here was a large flowered, semi-phalaenopsis shaped, free flowering, non seasonal dendrobe on a long semi-erect spike. There were different shades of purple, pink and even a white Lim Chong Min. To summarise the Thais tend to produce phal-type dendrobes and Malaysian and Singaporeans the intermediate Lim Chong Min-type for the dendrobium cut-flower trade.

    The second point concerns the inter-section hybrids particularly the Phalaenanthe and Spatulata sections. There have been lots of crosses done, between these two sections of dendrobiums in Europe, Asia and Hawaii even as long ago as 1929 i.e Den Louis Bleriot. This is the so-called Madame Pompadour, once the mainstay of the Thai cut flower trade. NB: a lot of controversy whether Pompadour is a var of Louis Bleriot or a hybrid of .....the International Registry is no help for the parentage of Mdm Pompadour. Others are D Louisae (schroederianum x lineale)1935; Caesar 1937; May Neal (Hawaii x tokai) 1949; Momi Cummins (gouldii x Hula Girl) 1952. The last two are two of the most famous dendrobiums from Hawaii. These are early crosses and there countless since then.

    Aother point I wish to raise is that I think we are victims of our own success. We look with disdain at the cut flower dendrobiums; the supermarket phals; the tea-cup, bulldog paphios;the saucer size vandas; the multi coloured arandas and mokaras.......which took decades to 'perfect'. Siiiiigggh !

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    I said I would post again when all the flowers are out - and here it is ; must be quite long lasting as you will see by comparing the date of the fiorst filing.

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    Very nice! 'Oda' is absolutely the best clone of this grex. Sadly there are a more than a few nurseries passing off all Dendrobium berry as Dendrobium berry 'Oda'.

    The intersectional Dendrobium hybrids are very popular in Australia The two largest population hubs, Sydney and Melbourne are in very different climatic zones (cooler, drier) from the habitat of sections spatulata and phalaenanthe, which is tropical and monsoonal. The dendocoryne section by and large (there are some exceptions) is much cooler growing so hybridisers are working to produce cool/intermediate growers, (that are suitable for general/non-expert garden cultivation) that take on some of the tropical attributes such as varied flowering seasons and longevity of flowers.

    There's also been a recent upsurge in hybrids between sect. Latouria (from New Guinea) and sect. dendocoryne.

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