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NOID cattleya in the wild

This is a discussion on NOID cattleya in the wild within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; After reading Chadwick, I am now convinced it is C gaskelliana. The "summer flowering" mentioned ...

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    After reading Chadwick, I am now convinced it is C gaskelliana. The "summer flowering" mentioned by Yew Sung (Cattan) is Northern hemisphere , it would likely be 6 months different in Venezuela ? C percivaliana is wrong because the very distinctive orange patch in the lip is missing.
    Well, that filled an hour in the small hours - I was wakened by my wife having a coughing fit , she has caught "my" cold which i had last week, and after lying awake from an hour I decided to try a small malt ( the wine of the country in Scotland) and read my e-mail.
    Back to bed now.
    But thanks all, I think we have cracked it.

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    This looks identical to C. lawrenceana
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Young View Post
    This looks identical to C. lawrenceana
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    This makes sense!
    No way to be C.gaskelliana or C. percivaliana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Young View Post
    This looks identical to C. lawrenceana
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    That species was certainly found in the Brazil/Guyana/Venezuela border area, according to Chadwick, and I did visit that area ( Angel Falls, Cainama lagoon, etc ) although this slide came out of a box labelled 'Merida and the Andes' . It could have been misplaced.
    The unfortunate thing here is that of the two essential characteristics pf C.lawrenceana ( and I'm quoting Chadwick here) only one is clearly visible in the pics - the red back bulbs. The other is the unusually long, narrow , tubular lip. I can see a tubular lip, but the foreshortening in the photo makes it difficult to decide if it is unusually long.
    I think I have to say, perh[ps Gaskelliana, perhaps lawrenceana - but I'll keep looking !.

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    The differences between them that I can see, gaskelliana always has a very yellow veined throat, and the magenta lip is usually only a spot at the front. Lawrenceana is more monotone in color with the deeper flush even lip which ends more abruptly and round trumpet like (like skinnerii, or some purpuratas shape) and has a lighter, reversed out upside down heart shape (or a bum if you prefer) inside the inner lip.
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    Cattleya gaskelliana is a member of the labiata family.
    C. gaskelliana flowers are similar to C. labiata and C.warneri.
    All 3 above mentioned Cattleyas have a typically labiata like lip, with a big and open shaped frontal lobe.
    C. lawrenciana has the extremely long tube, with a small and less open frontal lobe similar to C. skinneri.
    The extremely long tube can be observed on the upper left flower from the first image.
    Even with a partial hidden tube it is easy to imagine the tube length going all the way to the upper end of the stem where petals, sepals and tube merge in to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
    After reading Chadwick, I am now convinced it is C gaskelliana. The "summer flowering" mentioned by Yew Sung (Cattan) is Northern hemisphere , it would likely be 6 months different in Venezuela ? C percivaliana is wrong because the very distinctive orange patch in the lip is missing.
    Well, that filled an hour in the small hours - I was wakened by my wife having a coughing fit , she has caught "my" cold which i had last week, and after lying awake from an hour I decided to try a small malt ( the wine of the country in Scotland) and read my e-mail.
    Back to bed now.
    But thanks all, I think we have cracked it.
    Oh, the injustice of it all - I was thrown off by the Andes location, and assumed that the missing yellow throat was due to your finding a fabulous new percivaliana variation in the tradition of all those 19th century British orchid adventurers! I may persist in my fantasy, as it amuses me to contemplate the scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauraec View Post
    Oh, the injustice of it all - I was thrown off by the Andes location, and assumed that the missing yellow throat was due to your finding a fabulous new percivaliana variation in the tradition of all those 19th century British orchid adventurers! I may persist in my fantasy, as it amuses me to contemplate the scenario.
    I have a tux' very suitable for dressing for dinner in the jungle, but for the daytime, I find I lack a suitable pith helmet - so I wouldn't pass muster. I think "Dr. Stanley I presume" might be met with "have we been introduced" ?

    I found a slide last night, of myself after being involved in a mud slide on a mountain in the rainy season - I will see if I can find it again and digitise it - and post it here - that may suffice to peruade you that your imagination is running a little on the wild side ! Until then, keep it up Maura - an escape from the real world seems a good idea now and then.

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    C. lawrenceana

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