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This is a discussion on Cattleya ? within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I think what is being said is peloria may exhibit any of many forms—doubled flowers ...

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    I think what is being said is peloria may exhibit any of many forms—doubled flowers with many tepals; an extra petal instead of a lip; three lips instead of petals; union of a petal with a sepal, etc.. Occasionally a plant produces a peloric flower under stress. The lip on yours appears to be a petal instead of a lip.

    I am not so sure that is the case or not but if it is then next blooming may have the flower looking normal. The lip looks like it was wide and roundish. Looking at your recent flower pic, I would suspect that it may be a Cattleytonia hybrid that is concolor. What mericlone did your buy it as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    I adjusted the lip out to where it should be this morning & re took the pic. The flower is 90mm across.

    (The lack of contrasting color in the lip/throat is because it is peloric with the lip resembling the petals.) Not sure what is meant here at all. The flower was/is deformed, "nothing to do with peloric".
    At the most basic level, peloric means a flower with normally bilateral symmetry shows more radial symmetry than expected. That is the definition of the word. In orchids this often means the petals take on some of the typical appearance of the lip, but that is not the only example. In this case the lip and the petals all show the same base color and similar shape without the contrasting forrm, colors and markings usually seen in the lip of a Cattleya alliance hybrid. This flower IS peloric. Any peloric flower could be considered deformed.

    In contrast, a deformed flower that becomes less symmetrical than usual, as when a petal and sepal are partially fused for instance, is not peloric.

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    Thanks for your imput, a definition not held in the general orchid world but interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron-NY View Post
    What mericlone did your buy it as?
    Ron, it was bought as Rlc. Hisako Akatsuka. No clonal name. I don't think a pic was included. The seller is not one I buy from regularly but seems to be generally ok. May have bought a mislabelled flask !!!

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    The correct definition as used in descriptive floral morphology, long before many orchid growers misunderstood it, applying it in a narrower way. And the plant is almost certainly Rlc. Hisako Akatsuka as you posted in several other forums. The lip may or may not bloom out with a more typical appearance in the future.

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    Roy wait and see how others bloom out, if you have a flask of them. I am betting it is the cross that you bought and the lip is just deformed from peloria on this plant.

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    Just had an email from a grower friend involved with a commercial nursery, that having seen this pic & a plant in flower this very day, that it may be Hawkinsara ( now Ctna) Koolau Sunset ('Hawaii'). The one flower doesn't matter as apparently it will do this from small plants. When It flowers from a larger cane it should start giving more flowers. The lip is standard for the cross type. The way it opened has caused the problem.
    I have only this plant, by the color, thats a shame.

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    The colour of the bloom indicates Hisako Akatsuka. Hknsa Koolau Sunset is more reddish on a tall flower stem.

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    time will tell

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