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Bc Star Trek 'Orange'

This is a discussion on Bc Star Trek 'Orange' within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Originally Posted by PaphMadMan Brassocattleya (Bc.) Star Trek = C. intermedia x B. perrinii, from ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaphMadMan View Post
    Brassocattleya (Bc.) Star Trek = C. intermedia x B. perrinii, from both OrchidWiz and the International Orchid Register. There is no way to get an orange flower that doesn't look brasso-star shape from that cross. There is no other grex in the Cattleya Alliance called Star Trek, so there is no Lc. Star Trek.
    Just speculating here... There is a Slc. (or Ctt.) Star Ship (Rajah's Ruby x Chit Chat) that could have an appearance similar to your plant.
    Thanks for clearing that up!! Unfortunately, I couldn't find ANY pictures of a Slc (or Ctt) Star Ship online anywhere... but, as I was searching for these two flowers, I came across a post right here in the forum by Fren (Smartie2000) back in 2008. Check out this flower:

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    Now compare that pic to the original one I saw from the vendor, and I think we have a pretty close match, considering the vendor's pic was taken in bright sunlight and the member's pic appears to be taken in artificial light. The form of Fren's looks a LOT closer to the vendor's pic than mine does, as does the substance of the petals on this member's picture. Honestly, I would have been thrilled had I gotten flowers that looked like the one posted by Fren.

    VENDOR PIC OF Bc Star Trek 'Orange':

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    FREN'S PIC OF Slc. Rajah's Ruby x Lc. Mini Purple:

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    Pretty close, wouldn't you say? At any rate, these are both still WAY nicer than what I got, which is still a muddy-brown & burnt-orange color (yet I'm still hopefully waiting an amazing color transformation as the blooms stay open longer... ).

    MY MYSTERY FLOWER:

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    And I'm not sure what to do about it at this point, because obviously the vendor is confused if he's selling a plant that couldn't possibly be what it is in his photo, considering the parentage. I may just be stuck with it... I'm not sure I could explain all this to the vendor without going into all the parentage and stuff, and I don't have OrchidWiz or the photos to back up what I'm trying to prove. Ah, well... Pbbbbtttt!!!!

    I'm sure there are many of you who say that it's still a nice Catt, but it bothers the heck out of me that I have a mis-tagged plant that I paid full price for... and that it's not just because someone swapped tags on the sly, but rather because the vendor is completely misrepresenting the plant (I'd like to think the seller has no idea this is a mistake, but the plant I received had obviously been previously bloomed, so it's not like the vendor's never seen these flowers before).

    Oh well, it appears I'm stuck with a 'lemon,' as they say.

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    No, not really close when you go beyond small and orange. The Rajah's Ruby lip shows a strong C. coccinea influence, which yours doesn't. Your flower more closely resembles (but is not) C. Tiny Titan. Unless your vendor can clear it up, I'm afraid you have an orange noid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Saar View Post
    No, not really close when you go beyond small and orange. The Rajah's Ruby lip shows a strong C. coccinea influence, which yours doesn't. Your flower more closely resembles (but is not) C. Tiny Titan. Unless your vendor can clear it up, I'm afraid you have an orange noid.
    Ohhh... whoops, I must not have been very clear.... I meant that Fren's photo of (Slc. Rajah's Ruby x Lc. Mini Purple) looks a lot more like the vendor's pic than my flower does. I don't think my little orangey-brown flower looks ANYTHING like either of the above flowers, but I was thinking that whatever flower the vendor is advertising in the photo seems to be much more related to Fren's flower than to mine... and perhaps that could give us some clues as to what plant is being advertised in the vendor's photo, at least.

    Aaargh... this is frustrating. I'm still debating whether to contact the vendor. I've done some further online digging, and I suspect my vendor gets his plants from a source in Asia, which has an online presence and has pretty much the identical list of plants to my vendor here in the US. That's where I saw this plant being listed as an Lc Star Trek 'Orange'. Same photo. I have a feeling the mistake in breeding and labeling is being made by the breeders in Asia, before these plants ever make it to my source in the first place.

    Ah, well...

    A brief update regarding the time/temperature/color issue when dealing with Catt flowers... I am pleased to say that the color has gone from a washed-out brownish orange to more of a bold burnt sienna-type color. At least my little NOID is more pleasing to look at now, anyway! I suppose that's something. Here's an updated photo that shows how the color has developed a bit.

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    It's fascinating. I'm really curious to see what it will look like in another week or so!

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    looking good, love the purple lip trimmed in yellow, and colors are taking on some depth

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    Jenn, when i had an office, i had three trays on my desk... In, Out, and Too darned difficult...

    Stop beating your head against that brick wall. Just accept it, and enjoy your orchid , whether it looks like the oic in the book or not.
    As to "can,t get that flower from that cross" , i would always be sceptical. If you ever went to a big producer and saw a batch of say 5000 plants from one seed pod, or even meristem tissue propagations from a single plant, you would know that very occasonally something different turns up.
    It's called mutation, of course. According to some biologists (Richard Dawkins agrees , I think) it happens about once in every one hundred thousand cell divisions ( think meiosis ! ) and goodness knows how many divsiins have occurred in one single plant. Of course, most go un-noticed, but when it involves a colour shift, abe just missing out one step in the protein chain, you do see it.
    But don't let it turn your hair grey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
    Jenn, when i had an office, i had three trays on my desk... In, Out, and Too darned difficult...

    Stop beating your head against that brick wall. Just accept it, and enjoy your orchid , whether it looks like the oic in the book or not.
    As to "can,t get that flower from that cross" , i would always be sceptical. If you ever went to a big producer and saw a batch of say 5000 plants from one seed pod, or even meristem tissue propagations from a single plant, you would know that very occasonally something different turns up.
    It's called mutation, of course. According to some biologists (Richard Dawkins agrees , I think) it happens about once in every one hundred thousand cell divisions ( think meiosis ! ) and goodness knows how many divsiins have occurred in one single plant. Of course, most go un-noticed, but when it involves a colour shift, abe just missing out one step in the protein chain, you do see it.
    But don't let it turn your hair grey.
    Well said, Geoff.
    And Jenn - I think the blooms you have are beautiful. Enjoy. You could always forward the link to this thread to the vendor and see what s/he has to say.

    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
    Stop beating your head against that brick wall.
    Beating my head against a brick wall? Why Geoff, I have no idea what you mean... oh, wait, I'll be right back... I just need to finish something up.....

    Okay... I'm done now.

    Just accept it, and enjoy your orchid , whether it looks like the pic in the book or not.
    Dang it, Geoff, I think you might just be right on that one. Okay. *taking deep breath* Proceeding with letting go of negative energy and enjoying pretty mystery orchid for what it is. Ahhh... I feel better already. (Does anyone have any Ibuprofen? All that head-bashing has given me quite the migraine... )

    As to "can,t get that flower from that cross" , i would always be sceptical. If you ever went to a big producer and saw a batch of say 5000 plants from one seed pod, or even meristem tissue propagations from a single plant, you would know that very occasonally something different turns up.
    It's called mutation, of course. According to some biologists (Richard Dawkins agrees , I think) it happens about once in every one hundred thousand cell divisions ( think meiosis ! ) and goodness knows how many divsiins have occurred in one single plant. Of course, most go un-noticed, but when it involves a colour shift, abe just missing out one step in the protein chain, you do see it.
    But don't let it turn your hair grey.
    All great points to consider. I will try and get my head out of my bum and just enjoy the orchid. I have to admit that it is already "growing" on me; it does appear to be quite the little charmer.

    Anyway, I'm sure by this point you're all tired of hearing me dissect the orchid's characteristics and speculate about its exact shade of orange. I will spare you all further pestering on the subject. Unless I find out something worth sharing, I will hitherto just refer to this guy as my little "orange dude" and move on.

    Thanks for your patience and thoughtful input everyone!! This is why I love you all... even when I'm effectively being told to "shut up about it already," you do it in such a nice way that it just makes me see how ridiculous I'm being about the whole thing. You guys are the best. Sometimes I just need a good kick in the tail to realize I'm being a bit silly!


    But don't worry... if my little "orange dude" starts doing something REALLY interesting, like...say... glowing in the dark, perhaps... I'll be sure to let you know! Thanks for everything and HAPPY GROWING!! I'm off to bed... to dream of my next orchid purchase, no doubt...

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