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This is a discussion on Lc Netrasiri Faiball x Thihty 'Casen's choice' within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; hahahaha...gods of orchid information much prefer orchid plants thrown at their feet as homage...
hahahaha...gods of orchid information much prefer orchid plants thrown at their feet as homage
Potinara (or Rhyncattleanthe) Thi-Ti is a valid registration, and the yellow with red lip picture posted here appears to be that cross, and I had looked at that as a possible parent when I researched this a couple days ago. However, neither Netrasiri Fireball nor Thi-Ti has a real strong spotted species background, so it seems a very unlikely combination to produce a flower with abundant spots. There is C. gutatta, but a couple generations back on one side, so maybe...
Like Ron and Kirk I have my reservations about the validity of the parents as both of them have no spots. As Ron suggested C Landate could figure in the crossing. BTW Lc Netrasiri Fireball and Pot Thi-Ti have both been used extensively in crossing in Thailand. If at all C Landate is indeed one of the parents this hybrid would most likely be Pot Thi-Ti x C Landate which would explain the yellow and the spots and the smaller size of the flowers. Or even another possibility ( Lc Netrasiri Fireball x Pot Thi-Ti ) x C Landate ? Here in the Far East breeders have a habit of using plants as studs even before they have been registered and names have been shortened/modified to suit the size of the tags.
LOL@ something something something something porn. (oh my) Back to the Orchids lol...
So, with all of this new information (for which I am incredibly grateful), what does this mean for the possibilities of "showing" my orchid and/or having it judged? Should I change the tag to read Cattlianthe Netrasiri Fireball x Rhyncattleanthe Thi-Ti, given what I now know about the proper titles of the supposed parent plants? Or am I basically stuck not being able to ever show this plant or have it awarded because there's just too much uncertainty?
As for the questionable origin of this cross, I agree that it's odd that a spotty would come from two solids... but there have been other versions of this same cross sold that look similar to mine (with the tags spelled improperly in different ways), so it would seem that if this cross is being consistently sold with this parentage listed, would it be logical that the spots could have originated from somewhere up the family tree? Especially since this is a seedling cross; there can be lots of variation...
This is the first plant I've purchased that I've really seriously considered showing, because everything about it is just outstanding when it's at its peak. And the fragrance is to die for.
Such beauty must be shared with the woooooorld!! *insert dramatic sweeping arm movements and wild head gestures here.* And it's so unique; I could see it being a very successful and sought-after clone.
What am I to do? Is there ANY action I can take to get this plant legitimized? Should I try contacting the nursery from which it originated?
Thanks for everything, friends... you folks are A-MA-ZING.
so, just to throw one more thing out there about thai hybridizers and tags, i read somewhere (and i thought on this site, but maybe not) that often thai growers will type a misnomer due to confusion on their end, but the name is sort of half translated, so they might register the plant in english, with english names, but label it in thai, so technically the name is the same, just translated. sometimes only partly translated, so the name is partly in english and partly in thai, but registered in english entirely. someone recommended having their thai name translated to english, and then searching for that name... and i agree this happens in hawaii where they name hybrids, but don't always register them. the new epidendrums are really confusing because of this. i know of a local shop that removes ALL tags because they say they don't trust them anyway and most of their customers don't care. me, i;d rather have the incorrect tag at least...?
Some years ago I did register one of my crosses and showed images of this cross on the internet.
Two years later I could find orchid images with the name of my cross on the internet.
Although I never did sell a single plant from this cross.
And off course the flower images I found on the internet where even not close to the flowers from my cross.
This looks to me that some hybridizer don't want to spend the money to register, but they want to sell registered hybrids.
Maybe they get more money for registered hybrids.
If you care to have the right name on your orchid, buy from serious vendors.
A responsible vendor should have control over his suppliers and should have control over his own production.
As long as merchants are in the orchid business which buy and sell only for profit, as long all of us have to deal with cases like Jenn's orchid.
I would give the vendor a hard time. At least he should give you the right name or get a new plant with the right orchid to you.