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Cattleya guttata alba

This is a discussion on Cattleya guttata alba within the Cattleyas, Vandas, Dendrobiums IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I got this plant in March, with a new growth an inch high. It grew ...

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    I got this plant in March, with a new growth an inch high. It grew rapidly, to make a cane at least 25% bigger than any previous one, and then flowered - all in 4 months.
    A poor shape, but lovely cl;en alba colours. Will do better next time, I'm sure.
    I do like guttata but perhaps the pure white one will be the least favourite. It is the spots and strong colours which appeal most. But there again, a better more established plant with more flowers might steal my heart....

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    Very interesting flower Geoff. A guttata alba 100% different to any other plant I've seen. They have been green flowers with white lips & most certainly all C. tigrina (leopoldii).
    This is similar to a guttata flower, the lip is odd for a guttata but that can happen with alba species to normal coloured flowers. The other point is that it appears to be flowering thru a green sheath, guttata flowers thru a dry sheath. I have had one coloured form flower thru a green sheath but that one time only.
    Its a flower I'd like & to research some.
    Pure white flowers of this shape had an appeal about them where other white Catts seen to lack.

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    It is, I forgot to mention, a meristem of a named variety from one of the big Taiwanese firms. From memory the variety is “Ching Hua”.

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    Thanks Geoff, I know them & have Dennis as a friend on FB, we do chat at times.

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    I must say, this flower appeals to me. The color makes the flower look “tasty”.
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    Found this in a group of guttata pics & noted name but can't for the life of me find it again.
    Came up with C. guttata v. Centro de Rubinis, (not sure Rubinis or Rubinus). Exactly the same flower, no question.
    Its definitely not one I've heard of but apparently very few others have either. May give you something to research if so inclined Geoff. I'll have to keep looking now just to find what I found again.

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    I think we should reserve judgment and wait for a better spike on a more well established plant; googling the complete name produces nothing - the nearest is a leopoldo with the same clonal name,and which is a perfect shape, but with a strong even dark green set of tepals and the white lip.
    However, I recall reading something about the relationship of the various species closely allied to guttata, maybe in the AOS publications or perhaps Orchid Digest , and those will be the next places I shall look. I have to own up that I am not very clear in my own mind, so a bit of self-education is needful.

    Orchidwiz shows 50 different guttatas and lists even more as awarded, but none are virtually pure white, and none have this varietal name. Ching Hua Orchids themselves do not list this, and a look through their on-line catalogue etc fails to show anything remotely like it . Maybe this is a mutation ? It does happen with meristems.

    So- if it comes good I might think of putting it up to the RHS orchid committee , although, just between you and me, I do not have a very high opinion of the present one ( committee) and wonder if they would recognise a cattleya if they saw one. There are not many cattleya growers in UK nowadays judging from the exhibits at the shows I visit.

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    so I have no idea about Cattleya. I haven't been here that long. But please forgive me if I say it reminds me a lot of Cattleya Jolynn's White Wonder.

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    I tracked down some pics of that “hybrid” and yes I agree - they could be siblings. Then i looked up the parentage of Jolynn’s WW, which I find is a mere 2nd generation cross. It starts with guttata ( alba or not, is not stated) crossed with warscewiczii, and then that hybrid is crossed with tigrina.
    Now, tigrina and guttata are virtually indistinguishable. I think if it has this colouring it gets called one thing, and if it has that colouring it is called something else.
    Maybe one day the DNA people will tackle cattleyas....
    The only thing wrong with the Jolynn’s name is that it seems inconceivable thatan orchid which is ¼ warscewiczii should look like that, especially given the known characteristics of warscewiczii hybrids. But it is ¾ guttata anyway !
    Conclusion, both plants are in fact ( probably) one and the same thing - Cattleya guttata.
    Whether any real Jolynn’s WW exist anywhere, I know not.

    Are you familiar with the philosophical concept “Occam’s razor” ? The most likely explanation is that the flask was mislabelled.

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