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Trying S/H?

This is a discussion on Trying S/H? within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Lisa, the 2 sites I posted both sell it. It is fairly reasonable. Unless anybody ...

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    Lisa, the 2 sites I posted both sell it. It is fairly reasonable. Unless anybody has a cheaper site....

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    Well, all this talk about S/H made me itchy to give it a try.
    SO this afternoon i just decided to give it a shot and i put a young phal in s/h.
    I've used a plastic soda bottle as a container and regular leca for medium.
    I must have looked at lja's s/h manual a zillion times.

    I have no clue whether i did it right but time will tell.

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    This is the site where you can get the cheapest Prime Agra:

    http://cropking.com/cgi-bin/cropking...19240344526998

    Even considering shipping it is cheaper than buying it in a store.

    Plants with roots that aren't in the best of shape - the old roots will eventually die anyway since they do every time you switch mediums. You might as well put them into the pellets right away. The old roots will support the plant as well as nourish it until new roots on new pbs form.
    I have my whole collection minus the mounteds in S/H, also the Paphs I have in a mix of CHC, charcoal, Hydroton and sphanum.
    This amounts to about 300 orchids in S/H. They have been growing that way for 3 years now. The roots have filled the pots, have filled the airspaces and the old roots have subsequently died. You still have to replant your orchids every now and again to make sure you have air in the center.
    I have transplanted my plants (I even have Vanda hybrids doing well in S/H) whenever I received them including the depth of winter for some bareroot plants. The only species I would caution doing that with are the Dendrobiums. For some reason they prefer to only be moved in the spring (in my situation at least). Paphs I had shrivel and even die when I moved them in the spring, ergo the exception.
    If you are reluctant to move them, you can adapt them easier by watering and pouring off the water for about 3 weeks.
    One thing that I need to stress is to RINSE THOSE PELLETS UNTIL THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COLORATION LEFT TO THE WATER. I had rinsed mine well 5 times and then soaked them in a rooting solution mix until needed and I still ended up with mud in the reservoir. The roots hate this mud.
    Another thing to remember is that fertilizer, water, and sunshine will create growth of algae and unless you like to look at slime on the outside of your pots, I recommend covering these either by painting them or as TZ does by wrapping them in foil. I have used regular outer pots, but enough light still makes it in eventually.
    Once you have all this covered, this is a delightful way of growing simply because you don't have to worry about when to water or when to fertilize.

    All these are my experiences and may not coincide with Ray's experiences. I am adding the latter because I have been at odds with him on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinderella
    Lisa, the 2 sites I posted both sell it. It is fairly reasonable. Unless anybody has a cheaper site....
    I got my Prime Agra from Creative Hydroponics. They have a location in Hillsborough NJ, from where I was able to pick up a large bag. I think it was a 50 L bag and it was 35 or 40 bucks.

    creative hydroponics

    Looking now at the cropking link, that is much cheaper. Wish I knew about it before, but it was nice to be able to pick the bag up and use it right away.

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    Hey Lisa! Hope the guide Louis made helped! I will get a photo of the phal this weekend. It has grown!!!


    Cheers!
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    [QUOTE=Brutal_Dreamer]Hey Lisa! Hope the guide Louis made helped! I will get a photo of the phal this weekend. It has grown!!!


    Please do BD....that tutorial was so cool....makes me want to try SH too.

    I have some Alifor....does anyone know if it works ??? I read on First Rays site that it didn't wick as well....showed only 3/4 of the pot wet ??

    Dosal knows her stuff ,too. She has some tried and true advice . Plus, she has the prettiest blooming window in SC.,so she must be doing something right.

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    I have recently switched all of my phals and most of my paphs to s/h. the early results for the phals have been incredible, the new growth and root growth is awesome. too early to tell yet on the paphs but i believe the results will be the same.

    i also have been using peters african violet food as the fert. tons of new roots on all phals

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    Gilda, I am not all that sure that good wicking is all that important except maybe for smaller roots. I hear Paphs and Phrags also need to have the top layer moist for roots to grow in. Most orchid roots don't mind drying out in between waterings which of course you don't get with S/H. But there is a huge difference between always moist and drying out. I have had quite a bit of rootrot and consequently have put some of my rootrotted plants into pellets in normal pots with normal drainage. Those pellets stay moist for a very long time. I water once a week (except for Phrags and sometimes the Oncids) in the summer, and I guess I can let it go for 2 weeks in the winter.

    Thanks for your kind remarks about my window. Anybody who wants to see what I am growing, go to:http://dosal.home.comcast.net/
    Sorry, the site isn't up to date, but will be soon.

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    [QUOTE=Gilda]
    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal_Dreamer
    Hey Lisa! Hope the guide Louis made helped! I will get a photo of the phal this weekend. It has grown!!!


    Please do BD....that tutorial was so cool....makes me want to try SH too.
    Hi Gilda! Here are a couple of shots of the S/H project plant from the demo Louis created. The first photo is the newly potted phal taken when Lou did the demo. The second shot is the same phal taken about 15 minutes ago. Enjoy!

    Cheers!
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    Thanks BD !
    I can tell the phal seems to be growing..new leaf, new roots ! A very interesting method of growing.

    Dosal,
    You are welcome...
    Are you saying you are switching yours over to regular pots but still using the pellets ?? I can understand they would stay moist for a period without the wicking of water in the reservoir. I have noticed lava rock staying moist for several days. Did you test a pot full of pellets before doing this ?

    I have also heard of SH failing in 2-3 years, because of fertilizer buildup in the pellets ??? I may try one ,if I can get my nerve up !
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    We are going to C&H on Thursday...I saw on the other forum where you might go,too.

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