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Glass vs Plastic

This is a discussion on Glass vs Plastic within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; I'm new to orchids, so can someone tell me what is the best pot to ...

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    I'm new to orchids, so can someone tell me what is the best pot to use when you have a phal?

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    Well, I equate the glass containers to: root rot for the orchid. The clear glass will heat up fast, and even with ONE drain hole at the bottom, it simply won't be enough! I, personnaly would NEVER put any of my orchids in clear glass containers, even with a bottom or side drain holes. Just my humble opinion...Betty :-) P.S. I use sulphur when I have to put something to seal a root cut...cinnamon will dry the root up and it will be unable to take up water.
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    I probably do not know what I am talking about, However here are some things to consider, especially when dealing with Cymbidiums:

    1st They are clump forming terrestrials in nature, so AIR is not necessarliy a critical element, at least not as critical as it is to an Epiphyte which has air seeking roots or some epiphytes which actually photo & Chemo synthesize with their roots.

    2nd, Species soil grown in nature have a higher degree of intolerance of temperature swings in their rooting system, AND a greater intolerance to location changes also. Plants growing in soil in nature do not move around just as generally the soil temp's take a long time to change much. We will learn more of this as we keep warming our planet and changing our climate.

    3rd Even Cynbidiums will tolerate temporarily hygroscopic soil conditions if not frequent or sustained. In other words no standing water for very long. If planted in a friable medium, in ground, and torrential rain occurs, the soil can become saturated. If planting area is done right/correctly it should lose water almost as fast as it gains it ergo= Well Drained Bed, pot, container, medium etc.

    4th Red is absolutely the WRONG color for plants with temperature sensitive roots, especially if it is a non-breathable substance like Plastic that contains the roots. Here's why, and it's the same reason red colored Automobiles lose the clear coat of paint, as well as have primer coat get heat damaged. Red is a Hot color in degrees kelvin just as blue is a Cool color in degrees kelvin.

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    So if heat causes molecular activity to increase and solar heat is loaded with Infra red levels beyond a scale of earthly reasonability, is it not reasonable sunlight, rich in infra red levels shining on a red, solid palstic, pot (solid like metal of an automobile) becomes a repository for and of temperature rise? In the process of temperature rise, after a specific, heat tolerance, threshold is reached, all plastics begin to devolve releasing many substances, most of which are true synthetics. Also many of these synthetics are toxic to organic organisms here on Planet Earth. It depends on formula of "plastic" an object is made of and organism exposed to released compound(s).

    Any "visible" we see is reflection of that band of light & it's temperature is a quality of that. So we have red being reflected & red incoming all at the same time. Granted reflected is less hot than incoming however it's a moot point, because there are more infra red rays on red surfaces than a surface of any other color of seven basic colors, remember ROY G BIV ?

    Clay Pots are reddish, true enough. However they are not as solid as plastic or steel, in fact they are quite porous and bubble when placed in water so as to absorb it. This lack of solidity disrupts heat transmission as it slows down heat gain processes as well as any resultant molecular activity increase also. We are looking at heat "build up" theory here. Heat only increases while cold only "takes away" from the heat build up process. As molecules of solid objects speed up they also generate, Yup More Heat. Without porosity, or better yet moisture contained within that porosity no cooling is available to disrupt the process also known as "cooking". Heat overcoming nuetral to induce internal temperature rise so as to change the matter being heated. A scientific explanation of cooking, . . . . Right? Plus if heat build up, or cooking is not controlled or moderated, at some point it becomes a Burning Process where the heated substance begins rapid oxidation, or combustion. I'm not inferring this Cymdidium was burnt, but it's within that dynamic from what I deduce by what I see and what I do seem to know.


    Conclusion:
    The Point is plants lack any capacity to reason and rely instead on tropisms to live, evolve, and thrive. No plant if given a choice, and if it could reason would ever choose a red Pot of solid material. So chick, stylish, impressive & other Human tastes or quirks are not part of a plant's world or universe. By nature (operative word here) If all plants will grow where they do well & only thrive where they do best, replicate what a specimen at hand describes thru it's characteristcs traits and tropisms as "Best". I promise it won't be a stylish glass container non air exchanging solid material, especially a red one. Plants do not care what we like. But they do respond to what we do. Especially the Orchid Culture. We can cause them to thrive by doing what's needed & what they require to thrive, or we can slowly bring them to a torturous demise by attemting to cause them to conform what we want or what we like. Since I really like Orchids, I follow the 1st part of this posit & reject the 2nd part

    Thanks for the use of the Soap Box, I hope this was helpful to someone.


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    Wow! now I see why it might be that my beautiful bright red garden door facing due west is starting to crackle and pop! Wondering if I should paint it a cool blue...


    (sorry, didn't mean to hijack this thread...)

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    Delilah,
    I think the coolest color is actually Blue green that Nature uses so much. Most leaves or modified leaves have Bulish-Greenish mix. Cactii are an excellent example of heat tolerant, environmentally adapted plants, mostly all I've ever seen alive have that shade of coloring. Must be a reason for that, Huh? Hijacking anything I post is permissible, perhaps even welcome, if it applies or is useful to somebody.

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    Thanks Pete! That's a great observation about blue green being a color that can absorb heat and thus help cactii to adapt to a hot environment.

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    Delilah,
    Thanks for "flowers" on my "observation". But I learned that years ago in an intensive Botany Class while chasing an Orn Hort degree that my best lessons are ones learned thru careful observation. Dr. Black @ UF was worthy of his Phd, and 35 years after the fact I figured out what my parents & mentors meant by "Slow down & pay attention kid. It's the only way you'll ever be good at what you do." LOL ;->
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