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Phrag help, PLEASE!!!! :-)

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    Out of the 6 Phrags i grow there is only 1 that seems to be suffering in s/h & that is Phrag Petit Port , it just doesn,t seem to be happy.
    I,ve got my 2 latest Phrag Besseae"Wings of Fire" & Phrag Tara in the mix it came with(fine bark & some type of sponge ) in a saucer of water & they seem to like it(both growing new leaves).Phrag Petit Port will go into a bark/LECA mix @ the weekend with no saucer.

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    Penns Creek Cascade is Grande x wallisii. longifolium is a total weed and loves water, and its hybrids (i.e. Grande) usually are very easy-growing and do well like your average water-loving phrag. adding a shot of wallisii probably produces more cultivars that prefer to be drier, although I would imagine that most cultivars are still easy-growing and would do well with copious water. But that should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis; if you are using something water-retaining like s/h and you see lots of fat roots, no need to change.

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    That's interesting Jason. Well, I finally unpotted everything, per Louis' instructions, and here's what I found.

    1. The plant pictured was rotted INSIDE at the base, so I cut it off. It has 3 new fans, so hopefully they'll be fine. Interestingly, it did have a lot of nice roots, though many of them were on the outer wall of the pot, making me think it likes moisture, but not so much moisture. I tended, until now, to grow my phrags wet.

    2. My Phrag Grande, with like 8 or 9 fans, all pretty small, had SEVERAL fans that were rotting - against, couldn't tell unless you looked really carefully while unpotted. I yanked those. Interstingly, it's roots were growing like gangbusters, meaning, I think, that it liked things moist.

    3. Phrag Belle Hougue Point. Been very unhappy for the past year, a seedling. Just kind of stalled, and a bit unhappy looking. No rot, which is good, and I did notice some new roots growing when unpotted, so I'm thinking, again, to probably lighten up on the water a bit.

    4. Phrag Wossner Super Grande. This guy, when unpotted, had great roots, again it liked the moist culture, but it did have an old fan that was rotting, I found it, so I removed it.

    I then soaked everything, the entire plants, in Orthene and Clearys 3666.

    So the lesson I learned is that when plants appear unhappy, and even sometimes when they don't, consider checking the roots. In addition to seeing whether they're liking the culture, it also frees you up to check out the base of the plant better, look for rot etc. In my case, several of the rotted plants actually had good roots. Meaning, I wasn't really overwatering them, but rather, was watering them from the top and leaving them wet too long.

    And yes, as I mentioned, my longifolium cross LOVES s/h, while my Belle Hougue Point did not. I suspect my Grande and my Wossner might like it too. At this point, I'm going to let them recover from repotting and wait until spring, and they start growing again, to perhaps try s/h on them (and I need to get better clay pellets, I worry about trying s/h without PrimeAgra - any folks tried it with regular clay pellets and have it work?)

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    Glad to see you have got a grip on the problems

    perhaps try s/h on them (and I need to get better clay pellets, I worry about trying s/h without PrimeAgra - any folks tried it with regular clay pellets and have it work?)
    Mine are in Hydroleca & for the most part Phrags love it.
    The 1 that is unhappy is Phrag Petit Port , i unpotted it & the roots are in the res & lots of them.I think i had potted it to low in the mix & when i watered it allowed water into the crown part of the plant & was causing problems(+ my need to mist everything didn,t help the crown dry).It has a new growth & i,ll leave it for a while to see how things go.

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    You mean they're only potted in Leca? Do you set them in water, or what? I would think it wouldn't stay moist enough?

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    Phragenstein is in a normal pot with LECA , it sits in a deep saucer & i keep the water level topped up(about 1" deep).3 others are in regular s/h & 2 are in medium bark but they are in a saucer about 1/2" deep.
    Yes Hydroleca is a trade name for a light expanded clay aggregate.

    The whiteness isn,t salt build up , the round LECA looks like this normally.
    Phragenstein seems to have grown & flowered reasonably well.Phrag St Ouen is on it,s 5th flower with @ least 1 more to come , not bad for a first flowering.

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    if you're getting a lot of rotted new growths, maybe you're potting too deep? just a thought. either that or water is collecting inside the new growths.

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    Default Other mediums for s/h

    I worry about trying s/h without PrimeAgra - any folks tried it with regular clay pellets and have it work?
    I haven't tried other brands of clay pellets, but I've been growing a cattleya and a Sharry Baby for several months in s/h in pumice I got before I found PrimeAgra and they're doing well. I have most of my other plants in the PrimeAgra. I do see evidence in my pots that the finer-grade pumice does, as lja suggested, wick more moisture up the total pot depth than the larger PrimeAgra does. It also gets more algae growth.

    I plan to move everything out of pumice into P.A. as they need repotting (except the masdevalias) and when the budget allows. I like that I can see better what's going on in the PrimeAgra, can tell whether or not I'm getting any mineral build-up (which is difficult to see on pumice), and it's easier to pot up than pumice is. And no floaty things in it either. But the masdies are loving the pumice and I have no intention of disturbing them.

    Just my experience so far with the two different mediums in s/h.

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