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satisfying oncidium in spike

This is a discussion on satisfying oncidium in spike within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; *sigh* Somebody has got to get this thread back on track.....and I guess it falls ...

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    *sigh* Somebody has got to get this thread back on track.....and I guess it falls to me. ;-)

    @Danny--
    1.) It is incredibly satisfying to find your first spike, bloomed from NBS or even more from seedling. The few rescues I've managed to bloom from nearly dead have been very rewarding as well, several of them have another year plus to go before they prolly bloom. I just pollinated some Oncidiums, chiefly an Aliceara back to its parent Brassidium, and cant even imagine the satisfication (IF the seed pods mature correctly, IF I manage to sow them right, IF I can deflask/reflask them a few times, and IF I can grow them to bloom) if that results in blooms. So congrats!
    2.) I chuckled when I read your house looks like a garden center now. Mine is about 600ish sq feet and I have more than 100 plants in there, several of which are trees, so I know the feeling. It's wonderful in my mind. I had my Mom up for the weekend from Texas and she said it was like staying in a conservatory. Which is what I'm going for!
    3.) Boy, your orchid sure looks a lot like the Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Jem' that Tim pointed out. The slight difference in splotching could just be its nature. I have an Oncidiinae that supposedly the bloom pattern changes with each year. I've only bloomed it once, but they certainly had different splotch patterns than other people's pics.

    @Tim--
    The research continues! I also have an Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin' It certainly does grow like a weed. I actually just crossed it back with one of its parents, a Brassidium Gilded Urchin (which by the way, is wonderfully fragrant around sunrise and sunset). Hopefully the pollination takes and in a year or two I'll have all kinds of wonderful Brassidium-like Aliceara 'Unnamed' to share with everyone. I've never watched seed pods form so it's been a cool few weeks!

    @Bruce and Danny--
    Its awesome that ya'll have tropical fruit trees. I had several mini lime trees, a couple of peaches, a fig tree and orange tree about 5 years back in my last house. They were out on this wonderful unheated sunporch that was just a great plant growin area through 8 months of the year. But we had this really freak frost, dropped down to 10-15 with no warning. They sat out for about 8 hours in that before I woke up freezing in the house, and they never recovered. I've been a little leary since then, but I think it's time to get back into tropical fruit!

    Alright....longest response from me ever!

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    Lol I am as passionate about citrus as I am orchids so don't worry! High high nitrogen, low everything else. With trace minerals. In free draining medium. With 1/3 to 1/2 full sun. And high humidity. Maybe your lime is just a slow starter!

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    Thumbs up Perfect! Next on my list: Aliceara (Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin' AM/AOS)

    Quote Originally Posted by navyderek View Post
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    3.) Boy, your orchid sure looks a lot like the Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Jem' that Tim pointed out. The slight difference in splotching could just be its nature. I have an Oncidiinae that supposedly the bloom pattern changes with each year. I've only bloomed it once, but they certainly had different splotch patterns than other people's pics.

    @Tim--
    The research continues! I also have an Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin' It certainly does grow like a weed. I actually just crossed it back with one of its parents, a Brassidium Gilded Urchin (which by the way, is wonderfully fragrant around sunrise and sunset). Hopefully the pollination takes and in a year or two I'll have all kinds of wonderful Brassidium-like Aliceara 'Unnamed' to share with everyone. I've never watched seed pods form so it's been a cool few weeks!
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    Alright....longest response from me ever!
    @Derek,
    LOL. Your post is perfect in so many ways! Alas! the research does continue . . . . This time around I am looking at Aliceara with (A) reference to a seductive and very captivating Aliceara Hilo Ablaze 'Hilo Gold' HCC/AOS . . . AND (B) an examination of and comparison to Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin AM/AOS! I think, Derek, you will like the latter examination the best. It touches briefly on your understanding of the progeny of Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin AM/AOS, namely the very Brassidium Gilded Urchin you have just crossed back with Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin AM/AOS. What a delight that orchid should be! I can hardy wait the time to see it bloom. You should give it a name!

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    Coda.... (Anticipation!)

    What is going on with Aliceara culturally? It seems to be a very complex genus to understand given the research I have done and the experience I have to account for currently.

    It seems like I should never be able to grow Aliceara here in Virginia Beach, VA (USA), according to the research that indicates that the genus prefers a cool-intermediate growing condition. Yet, Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin AM/AOS does great, if not better than I would now ever estimate and have experienced. Does that mean I should be tempted into to acquiring Aliceara Hilo Ablaze 'Hilo Gold' HCC/AOS, an orchid my heart longs to collect and cultivate! "Not in the least!" I am trying to keep a "level head" on this one. That means only, out of sheer curiosity only over Aliceara, I will purchase it anyways to see how it does grow in the warmth. (lol)

    Also I just might acquire another Aliceara that is stunning, despite good sense but well within reason culturally. Aliceara Pacific Nova (Brassidium Shooting Star x Miltonia clowesii) could perform quite nicely like Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin' AM/AOS in warm growing condition. I have posted some images below of Aliceara Pacific Nova! (Yikes! I just noticed its price for a minimal 5.5" pot BS plants--$55! That hurts.)

    OK, now I have been to indulgent here; but I am thrilled that Aliceara Sunday Best ‘Muffin' AM/AOS and Brassidium Gilded Urchin have been brought into a discussion.
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    @forum. With the respect to the post written about Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter; Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy'; AND Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'JEM'; I have subsequently caused some confusion unintentionally over the difference in 'Morning Joy' and 'JEM'. When the images were uploaded the order became mixed up, reversing the whitish-light purple of 'Morning Joy' with the saturated rich purples of 'JEM'. In the post, I referenced 'Morning Joy' as Images 01-2 and 'JEM' as Images 03-4. This listing and how the images were actually uploaded needs to be reversed. In reality to how they images were uploaded the reference NOW needs to be corrected. 'Morning Joy' is Images 3-4 and 'JEM' is Images 1-2. Therefore, Danny's (blooming!) Beallara is actually 'Morning Joy' and not 'JEM'. Derek, I am sorry for the confusion of my post. Is there any way to correct the original post or return the order of the Images to how they were meant?

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    (LOL) I meant for this to be my shortest post yet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdwin1453 View Post
    ...... @forum. With the respect to the post written about Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter; Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy'; AND Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'JEM'; I have subsequently caused some confusion unintentionally over the difference in 'Morning Joy' and 'JEM'. When the images were uploaded the order became mixed up, reversing the whitish-light purple of 'Morning Joy' with the saturated rich purples of 'JEM'. In the post, I referenced 'Morning Joy' as Images 01-2 and 'JEM' as Images 03-4. This listing and how the images were actually uploaded needs to be reversed. In reality to how they images were uploaded the reference NOW needs to be corrected. 'Morning Joy' is Images 3-4 and 'JEM' is Images 1-2. Therefore, Danny's (blooming!) Beallara is actually 'Morning Joy' and not 'JEM'. Derek, I am sorry for the confusion of my post. Is there any way to correct the original post or return the order of the Images to how they were meant?

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    I fixed the image problem, Tim. No worries. Now the reference is correct in the original post.

    Cheers,
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    Hey navyderek, good comment from your mother! My brother is an artist and when he saw my old collection he said it looked like an art installation for a show lol. So many orchids, citrus and bonsai!

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    @Danny-- That's awesome. Personally I really enjoy being around/surrounded by plants. I spend tons more time on my indoors than I do on my yard.

    @Tim-- That's a nice orchid. And Bruce(BD) is the fixer of wrong things here, as you saw by his correction.
    And I don't think assuming most Alicearas can handle the intermediate conditions of a windowsill is very far off target. I have 6 and they all seem pretty hardy to me. Some growers/nurseries say they can handle all cool/intermediate/warm. Its tough to judge a hybrid genera on one plant. With 10ish Miltonias, 30ish Brassias and over 600 Oncidiums, there are a lot of combinations and different individual species that can be the dominant cultural requirements of any given trigeneric/multigeneric cross.
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    Hi everyone. I just wanted to say that one of the perks of living in greece is that all citrus trees grow effortlessly *anywhere*. And olive trees, of course, but that's another subject.
    I have 2 bitter orange trees in my garden, both are former orange trees gone wild and regrown as the base citrus tree, scientifically known as Citrus aurantium. Some even consider it more of a fruit bush than a tree.I trim them every year to a round shape.
    Anyway, in Athens it is widely used as a decorating tree in avenues, pruned into shapes. The flowers are probably the most fragrant of all citrus species! They require no care at all, not even watering.

    My parents are retired and live in a cottage in Northern Athens, not very far from where I live, and keep an orchard with fruit trees, most of which from the citrus family. They've got them all: lemons, oranges, grapefruit, fortunella (known as kumquat), tangerines, sweet oranges, mandarins, blood oranges, THE WORKS.
    You can see in the pic my niece reaching for that green lemon. Those lemon trees aren't very nicely grown and don't grow as much fruit as the ones in the orchard (my mom insisted that my dad would plant a few near the kitchen for culinary purposes.).
    They are the only tree in Greece that needs very little water, does fabulously near the sea, needs lots and lots of sun and has very few pests. However...it loathes icy weather, cold winds and if you water it too much, it will either bear no fruit or bear very little. My advice...don't overdo it in fertilizer or water. And if the weather is rather cold, protect it with some material. Some growers in colder climates cover them in sheer plastic during the winter. If there is snow, shake it regularly to avoid branch splitting and ice burns.
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    Wish we had the climate for citrus like that here in England! With the oranges you mentioned at the beginning, do you mean the scion died off (orange) as the rootstock took over? The rootstock is usually flying dragon, I love that plant

    As for fertilizer, I flush my citrus pots once a month, and feed with full strength fertilizer every week, with a 5-1-4 NPK ratio. They are greedy. So so greedy! They looove nitrogen lol.

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    Well in my case the base tree is what we call in greece Nerantzia', or bitter orange. But the starter tree (rootstock) varies depending on the grower's preferances and experience.

    Wow how can you keep a citrus in a pot for long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal_Dreamer View Post
    I fixed the image problem, Tim. No worries. Now the reference is correct in the original post.

    Cheers,
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    @Bruce, Danny, and forum. Many thanks, BD, for correcting this mix-up with the images of Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' and 'JEM'. Everybody please note the correction! As one can see the bright 'Morning Joy' and the saturated 'JEM' are worth collecting for their sheer beauty only. Again thank you, Danny, for sharing your success with 'Morning Joy'. Your plant looks vital and quite beautiful. I have enjoyed this thread a lot with regard to understanding these Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter cultivars. Somewhere in the post, if I recall correctly, the ethereal quality of your pictures of this Beallara are mentioned. I, too, like the interpretation, Danny. This morning I to adjust my wish-list to include both 'Morning Joy' and 'JEM'.

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