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satisfying oncidium in spike

This is a discussion on satisfying oncidium in spike within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; I have had phals rebloom, but this is the first time I have had another ...

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    Default satisfying oncidium in spike

    I have had phals rebloom, but this is the first time I have had another orchid go from nothing to spike to flowers. So satisfying isn't it! And it has another 2 spikes on the other side of the plant Sorry the pics aren't great.

    I have added a pic of my dendrobium as well. About a month ago, a leaf split and it continued to grow THROUGH that lea. The split leaf is still attached and green, it just has a hole through it lol. And now it has this little nub thing on top. It would be nice if it was a flower spike (i do not think it is unfortunately) or a keiki, or anything lol. Any clues? It isn't a very fast-growing nub I must say lol and I think a spike would grow much faster!

    Have 3 more phals spiking now, looks like colour is coming back to my home

    Just to add, the blooms on this seem so much darker than the last time. I looked at old pics, they were much much more white. Nice to see a change in colour!
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    Fantastic on all fronts! Because I have been highly focused on the Oncidium Alliance in the past year, I wanted to simply commend you on your success! I was very excited when I had my first orchid bloom from a mature growth too, which elsewhere I have identified it as Rhyncholaelia digbyana.

    My first Oncidiinae, moreover, to bloom in terms of going from a mature growth to a spray of flowers was Aliceara Sunday’s Best ‘Muffin’ AM/AOS. This orchid bloomed this late Summer, which now surprises me. The plant itself grows like a "weed" for me, as is said of a vigorous, robust plant Now it needs desperately to be divided into four divisions at least, if not more. I have been somewhat reluctant because it is still outside where recently the temperatures have been cool. When I bring it in, I will divide it.

    The more I study the Oncidium Alliance the more I become surprised by it! Aliceara is stated to be in many places online and in various references to be "tolerate" of just intermediate temperatures. In the Summer here in Virginia Beach, VA, USA; the growing conditions are warm to hot. I purchased Aliceara Sunday’s Best ‘Muffin’ AM/AOS when I did not know that much--not that I do now--about the various members of the Oncidium Alliance. Currently I would have stayed away from Aliceara, because it is suggested that it grows only in these intermediate conditions. Interestingly, however, this particular Aliceara Sunday’s Best ‘Muffin’ AM/AOS bloomed in late August to early September, when still growing conditions during the daytime reached into or around 90 degrees F or 32 degrees C.

    Originally I purchased it in early March in the full array of bloom. Overall I am quite pleased with it. It would seem that Aliceara should be able to tolerate of a bit more warmer conditions, which in my case this particular Oncidiinae did, because Aliceara is a cross of Brassia x Miltonia x Oncidium. Miltonia in this trigeneric cross is the only cool to intermediate growing plant. At any rate, I will likely try another Aliceara just for kicks.

    Your Oncidiinae looks to be quite beautiful and healthy. Also it seems familiar to me. Any chance it is Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Jem' HCC/AOS. . . . ? Your plant has a little more spotting, or blotches than the Beallara I am familiar with currently, so I am still unsure. They do, however, carry a striking resemblance. (See the Image below.)

    In any case, I congratulate you on your success! Keep up the good work. Color is returning!

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    Hi there

    I have seen a few different ones with different names that all look really similar and to my novice eyes very little in the way of differences. Lol all about colouring and spotting. I'm not sure, I love it though, and I really really can't wait for the other two spikes to bloom.

    Is that your orchid in the image you posted? Its beautiful either way!

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    Danny, I like your first shot. It has an almost ethereal quality to it withthe shading. Congrats on your re-bloom!

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    I was going to ask it's name....phooey! I'll just have to admire yours. What a lovely flower....great job on the rebloom. I love my oncids...they are soooo easy to rebloom.

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    Do a search for the words 'peggy ruth' there are lots like it. I just can't believe the colour is so deep compared to last time! It was so white when I bought it lol. Any ideas on my dend question? I don't know what is growing lol!

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    congrats Danny. I'm also waiting for colors return here in my house. Maybe this growth is a keiki, it seems to be putting a root, isn't it? that insignificant fat point in the the base

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    Post Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter REVEALED....

    Quote Originally Posted by aesir22 View Post
    Hi there

    I have seen a few different ones with different names that all look really similar and to my novice eyes very little in the way of differences. Lol all about colouring and spotting. I'm not sure, I love it though, and I really really can't wait for the other two spikes to bloom.

    Is that your orchid in the image you posted? Its beautiful either way!
    Its funny. In undertaking a search online of various images concerning your post, I accidentally stumbled upon Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter "CONFUSION", a state of mind. (lol) Please do not mistake my jocular syntax . . . and therefore think I am saying there is an orchid called Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Confusion'. It doesn't exist! Only my headache and then discovery of what be at play explaining your color change with regard to this orchid. ....I am not sure that this makes any sense!

    What am I trying to say?

    Simple. Here is what I made out from some initial confusion.

    Out of some initial research on images of orchids resembling your Oncidiinae in spike, assuming it to be some cross of Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter, I became readily confused. What I discovered quickly is that there are commonly three types of images associated with this Beallara: (1) Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'JEM' HCC/AOS (Image #1-2); (2) Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter; AND Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS (Image #3-4).

    Your images, and the image that I posted in my first reply to your post, seem to be more coordinated with the idea that your Beallara is actually Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS, or at the least the more original cross of simply Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter. The possibility that it is the type 'JEM' HCC/AOS is remote because of the overall coloration is much darker and saturated. The cultivar 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS is more common to the research I undertook, making it possible to see in the various images I posted a degree of variability in the color intensity and spotting. I hope the images I selected to post speak of this variability.

    With some confidence, I think now it is highly likely for a couple of reasons. In other words, I have some more information that, again, deductively from your pictures seems to show with some certainty either Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter or Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS. Readily, at this point, I cannot tell the two apart and have not yet determined what essentially constitutes (1) the breeding for the latter OR (2) the difference in possible morphological characters, quality of habit, difference in flower, etc.

    (A) Lets first look at some information that I discovered that I found fascinating, because it articulates much about your plant. Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS does seem consistent visually with the more primary cross of simply Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter. I am thinking that your plant is likely the variety 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS--maybe--because that would make it an more update (and maybe an improved) version of this primary cross, which is also apparently more available for retail today, as my search seemed to suggest.

    In any case, Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter, the original cross, is the handicraft of Milton Carpenter, according my source. As most Oncidiinae are, its parentage is complex: Beallara Tahoma Glacier x Miltonia Purple Queen. From what I can tell your plant seems to be the third generation--maybe more depending on what makes up the type 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS--from the actual species of the naturally occurring Oncidiinae.

    Beallara Tahoma Glacier is a famous and well-regarded cross. I found it in my references. It is composed from: Odontoglossum crispum x Miltonia spectabilis x Brassia verrucosa. Sadly, it is likely a member of the Oncidium Alliance that I, and, perhaps, other warm growing Oncidiinae enthusiast might find difficulty in growing.

    As the pollen parent to Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter, the cross of Miltonia Purple Queen is important, as is stated, because it is made up of: Miltonia spectabilis var. moreliana x Miltonia russeliana. Overall, apparently, Miltonia russeliana is responsible for about 25% of the genetic material found in Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter. It is said that, whereas Miltonia russeliana is vital, one would not recognize its importance to Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter, however. I have yet to see an imagine of Miltonia russeliana so I do know the full impact of this statement.

    In any case, all this breeding information is important because it resulted in one of the most popular Beallara to be ever produced, if one account for popularity based of the number of plants propagated, namely Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter. Given this account, the prevalence, seemingly, the availability of Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS now, and the mere fact it greatly resembles your pictures, I think it safe to conclude that it is likely the case. I only qualify this conclusion, because I have yet no way other than apparent availability of the plant to distinguish it from the primary cross of Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter. Moreover, even that might be subjective. . . .

    (B) A second set of information is taken from this very forum in a post entitled "Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter" dated January 9, 2009. Everyone should look at the photos, because they are really nice--much better than most of the images that I "lifted" from online "gray-literature" sources, such as (1) non-copyrighted Internet catalogues and web photo-albums (though not Flickr) as well as (2) The Creative Commons!

    This past post in this forum discusses Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter and not Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS. It is rather simple to report here with relevance to the reason in color difference in the orchid discussed in this present post. Namely the explanation as to why a color difference exists in the flower of Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter is given. Apparently, to the author, the maturity of the bloom for this Oncidiinae orchid affects the color of the flowers. In other words, initially for Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter the flowers of this orchid open "lightly colored" and develop with maturity a "shade of purple." It does not say, but the first and second photos seem to show the difference of a more white-based bloom to the lighter purple of the more mature flowers, I am guessing. The images seem indicative in any case. Again, everyone should look!

    Many thanks for reading. I hope this has helped you Danny.

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    Wow, tdwin, thanks very much! Lots and lots of info! I am rather tempted to fin 'jem' now

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    Post Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter et al . . . . Worth Collecting!

    No problem! Beallara Peggy Carpenter et al is worth discussing in many ways! Least of which is your accomplishment to cultivate a mature growth into a spray of wondrous, delightful flowers. I hope that inasmuch as I have obtained a good initial grasp on Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter et al, the forum and thread are infused with meaningful thought and delight!

    I am with you in wanting to cultivate this noted, classic, and awarded Beallara. As you stated, Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'JEM' HCC/AOS is highly desirable for a collection. I love its deep saturation, jewel-tone purples and various spotting. Yet, the plant you have in your possession is equally desirable! It is delightful and joyous in coloration and spotting--exotic yet charming.

    The order of the images with their identification in this past post is reversed for some reason. As I think is clear: (1) the white to light purple with highly contrasting spotting is Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS; whereas (2) the richer, highly saturated purples with various overlaid spotted is Bllra. Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'JEM' HCC/ACC. Again I think this is clear despite the mistaken order of the images.

    Lastly, to be clearer, the Aliceara Sunday’s Best ‘Muffin’ AM/AOS that I am enjoying success with, though not in bloom now, and initially wrote about in my first reply is not the image I illustrated in the first post. Rather it was your possible Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter 'Morning Joy' HCC/AOS. In this present post I have included an image of the Aliceara Sunday’s Best ‘Muffin’ AM/AOS. I hope you like it inasmuch as I do. Again it is very vigorous!

    I am thinking that I will try to figure out how the two additional cultivars of the original Beallara Peggy Ruth Carpenter are defined as hybrids. I wonder what other breeding has gone into their genetic makeup to account for these two additional hybrids to the original cross. I will try to find some time to ascertain this information later today.

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