Shop Orchid Care OrchidTalk Orchid Forum Weather Station Links Nursery

Welcome to OrchidTalk Orchid Forums


The Friendliest Orchid Community on the Internet!


  •  » Learn to Repot your Orchids
  •  » Learn Orchid Care Tips and Secrets
  •  » Find the perfect Orchid for your Growing Environment
  •  » Chat with Orchid Growing Professionals

OrchidTalk - "Bringing People Together to Grow Orchids Better!"


Let us help you grow your Orchids better; Join our community today.


YES! I want to register an account for free right now!


Register or Login now to remove this advertisement.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 26

native orchid species if collected in the wild?

This is a discussion on native orchid species if collected in the wild? within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; After all if you bought a plate of grilled wild pork or something from a ...

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #11
    stefpix is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    277

    Default

    After all if you bought a plate of grilled wild pork or something from a native it would have not been that different.
    Probably natives hunt wild game and collect wild fruit to sustain themselves.
    How many nativess collect how many orchids/ plants to sell at a small market?

    How many trees are cut in a place like PNG to seek oil while displacing the natives?
    how many wild phals are destroyed by cutting such trees?

    How many trees are cut for logging to make cheap furniture? how many irchids are destroyed in such a way?

    Do the natives collect just a few plants and leave others for reproduction? that is the question.
    Do natives collect a few plants and try to cultivate them to sell more?
    I do not think there is a definitive answer.
    What is the status of these Phals in the wild in the Philipines? are these protected?
    is anyone educating these native to have sustainable business?

    or were these picked from logged trees?
    How many orchids could be rescued by taking them off trees that have been cut down for building some road in the forest?
    stefano

  2. #12
    raymund_jesus is offline Member
    My Grow Area
    Outside 24/7.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Phalaenopsis, Cattleya, Dendro
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Roxas City, Philippines
    Posts
    58
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    ok, the population of the ati (native filipinoes, where i bought the orchids) are dwindling. on wikipedia, 2000++ in 7 large islands. so as for the amount of orchids that they take from the wild would be negligible. they too are nomadic so they do not collect in just one location, i believe that is sustainable wildlife collecting. they do not exploit the environment unlike commercial collectors.

    i think cattan said it perfectly. couldn't have said it any better.... thanks...

    Ati (Philippines) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    article on wikipedia about the ati


    a picture of an ati woman from wikipedia, selling orchids and drinking beer.

  3. #13
    stefpix is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    277

    Default

    i would be happy to see photos of the market and sellers etc... will check link. are they of asian or melanesian descent?
    probably they collected orchids all along for centuries.
    how common are these in the philippines? do you see them often on trees etc?

  4. #14
    raymund_jesus is offline Member
    My Grow Area
    Outside 24/7.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Phalaenopsis, Cattleya, Dendro
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Roxas City, Philippines
    Posts
    58
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    when i was a kid a 15-20 years back, i used to see them every sunday at market selling monkeys, orchids, palm nuts, betel nuts and amulets and charms. recently, it not as often as i see them. this year, i probably saw natives like 4-5 times, and i go to the market almost everyday.

    the wiki article says they probably from borney, sepang tribe 20-30,000 years ago.

    there are old/century old trees covered with orchids, although rare. i havent been to the mountains where the ati's come from so i cant say for sure.

  5. #15
    catttan's Avatar
    catttan is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Yew-Sung
    My Grow Area
    Outside 24/7
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    cattleyas, vandaceous,paphios
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Kedah, Peninsular Malaysia
    Posts
    15,880
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    My goodness, Raymund your 'ati' looks exactly like one of our local tribes the Negritos - must be from the same stock - the same physical appearance and the same nomadic lifestyle! You're right;their very lifestyle would ensure a sustainable habitat for the plants they collect.Your picture also shows another sorry aspect of their newly acquired lifestyle : the can of beer, and here especially, with a lighted cigarette dangling between the lips.

    Happily, a very successful pilot project here in the Belum Forest Reserve might serve as an example for future projects in sustainable eco-tourism.This particular project involves the very rare Rafflesia, the largest and stinkiest flower in the world!The whole aborigine community living in the area where the rafflesia occurs ,is involved in the project by providing accommodation and guide services to tourists and even scientists. They now protect the rafflesia where once they used to collect them to sell as herbal cures.[How anyone can eat the foul-smelling thing is beyond me].

    To anyone who thinks the tone my posts may indicate that I am offended, please rest assured that I'm not. Nor am I apologising for what is happening here, I'm merely presenting the realities from the developing countries.

    I'm all for conservation. I've brought up my children to respect nature and taught my students the importance of conservation.I'm very proud that my eldest son works as a conservation officer in Hong Kong and was actively involved in conservation and protection of the Sumatran rhino while working in Singapore Zoo.

  6. #16
    EMos's Avatar
    EMos is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Eric Mosunallee
    My Grow Area
    Porch/Patio.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Cattleya, Phals
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    920
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AtantaR View Post
    I would feel weird about getting stuff from the wild since you dont know the repercussion of such. But thats just my opinion. There are enough clones out there. We need to conserve and respect nature....no bad feeling tho....just something to think about
    Quote Originally Posted by catttan View Post
    I totally agree with Raymund. Here our aborigines or 'orang asli' [as they called locally] are mostly hunters and collectors and and about the only commodity they can sell are the jungle products like plants and fruits, rattan and bamboo, in order to buy the modern 'essentials' we introduce to them.Recently I have noticed that they are selling orchids too and getting a fair price for them - not for 25 pesos but more like US $5 - 20.Here, though, only the 'orang asli' are allowed to collect them. The impact on the wild orchid population? Minimal I'd say because the 'orang asli' only collects enough to buy the essentials he needs.He doesn't aspire to accumulate wealth like 'us'. The real danger is the indiscriminate and illegal logging by 'us' that destroy thousands of acres of their habitat.Another danger is the commercial collector who pays the 'orang asli' to collect loads of orchids for them for a pittance.
    Recently a commercial collector was prosecuted for possession of wild orchids.
    I found this topic about collecting orchids in the wild very sensitive, but it's something we hobbyists should not ignore and we are all free to have our opinion on this subject. I think the same way as Andrew, but there is also the human aspect with which I totally agree Yew; however, without getting into any political debate, my concern on this site is that we hobbyists should not send the wrong signals by promoting something that is reprehensible by law, and this applies equally to people buying or collecting them. Without disrespect to anyone, but I think it is something we should ponder about
    Last edited by EMos; November 5th, 2009 at 08:06 PM. Reason: Terminology

  7. #17
    raymund_jesus is offline Member
    My Grow Area
    Outside 24/7.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Phalaenopsis, Cattleya, Dendro
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Roxas City, Philippines
    Posts
    58
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    cattan, they are from the same "pool". they came from a the semang tribe (a negrito tribe). they came to the philippines through land bridges from borneo and mainland asia 20-30 thousand years ago.

    they move around a lot and they know where to collect those animals and orchids as they were nomadic hunter-gatherers. funny but sad thing in the picture is that they sell orchids and turtles and monkeys to sustain the "modern" lifestyle of beer, cigarettes and modern clothes; seemed like the ati was too, in a mall.

    raymund

  8. #18
    stefpix is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    277

    Default

    I was reading about Negritos on wikipedia -
    their origin is debated. the look like east africans but have genetic markers closer to asians.
    probably they came from africa from a earlier separate migration

  9. #19
    raymund_jesus is offline Member
    My Grow Area
    Outside 24/7.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Phalaenopsis, Cattleya, Dendro
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Roxas City, Philippines
    Posts
    58
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stefpix View Post
    I was reading about Negritos on wikipedia -
    their origin is debated. the look like east africans but have genetic markers closer to asians.
    probably they came from africa from a earlier separate migration
    well it is widely accepted that the Humans originated from Africa circa 200,000 years ago. It is as well worth noting that anatomically, archaic Homo sapiens evolved into the anatomically modern humans circa 200,000 years ago.

    theories suggest migration started some 60,000 years ago from Africa to Asia via the red sea. during the next 10,000 years, this population spread to South Asia and another 10,000 years to Australia.

  10. #20
    walingwaling's Avatar
    walingwaling is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Ron
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Bulbophyllum, native orchids
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Tacloban city, Leyte
    Posts
    6,064
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by raymund_jesus View Post
    well it is widely accepted that the Humans originated from Africa circa 200,000 years ago. It is as well worth noting that anatomically, archaic Homo sapiens evolved into the anatomically modern humans circa 200,000 years ago.

    theories suggest migration started some 60,000 years ago from Africa to Asia via the red sea. during the next 10,000 years, this population spread to South Asia and another 10,000 years to Australia.
    hi raymund,
    not only theories, it was proven by DNA tests, that our "adam and eve" came from the same tribe and village, somewhere in east africa, forgot the exact location.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Can you find the name of this native orchid
    By mslynn in forum General Orchid Culture
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: July 17th, 2009, 11:09 PM
  2. Native Species
    By Tmai in forum Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: July 8th, 2009, 05:03 PM
  3. Maxillaria tenuifolia species native to Nicaragua
    By ana patricia in forum Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: March 2nd, 2009, 10:49 PM
  4. Help with a Wild Orchid ID
    By brandankinfortpiercefl in forum General Orchid Culture
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: March 2nd, 2008, 04:26 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
OrchidTalk --An Orchid Growers Discussion Forum brought to you by River Valley Orchidworks. A World Community where orchid beginners and experts talk about orchids and share tips on their care, cultivation, and propagation.