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    Yesterday I watered my phal(I was given it a month ago, its an equestris) good, I actually soaked it because I haven't been watering it as often as I should. I get home from work yesterday and there are a bazillion little tiny white worm looking critters clinging for life to the side of the pot. I have been wanting to repot because the media had been looking kind of shabby. So, even though it is in flower, I went ahead and took it out of the pot. Am I glad I did! The phal was getting nasty root rot. I don't have good luck with phals to begin with, and having to deal with rot is not what I was expecting. So I cut off as much of the rot as I could , and put some root tone on it. I potted it in sphag. Are there any other precautions I should take to nurse it back to health? Or should I just keep watering 1-2 times a week? Help, I don't want to put yet another phal in the garbage can.

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    I think you should water it a little less and let it dry off a little. I'm not an expert on Phals but most people tend to water it to death with love of course.

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    Traci, don't leave it in sphag for any length of time. The stuff just stays way too wet, especially for adult plants. It's deceiving, too. Sphag may feel relatively dry on the top and still be soaked in the middle, where the root zone is. We only use sphag for seedlings here. Does the plant have any good roots left at all?

    If the roots at the plant's base beneath the media have rotted, it's doubtful whether any more roots will develop in that area. The new roots will come out instead along the "stem," and, more than likely, above the level of the media itself. So really, in my opinion anyway, rootone and sphag isn't going to do much good, and the sphag, if it stays too wet, will only help rot what remaining roots are there.

    Did you ever run insecticide through the media like we talked about? I have no idea what those white worms are; sounds like something might have hatched out.

    If it were me, I'd repot in a bark mix. When you think it might be time to water, push a Q-tip down into the root zone and leave it there for a few seconds. If it comes up wet or very damp, hold off on the watering. Only water when the Q-tip comes up almost dry. If you do that for a while you'll get a better sense of when to water each plant.

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    My first phal was overly packed w/ sphag and lost a lot of roots. I repotted w/ a teeny bit of sphag around the roots, and the rest bark mix. It has a new leaf this week! Yippee!

    My Dtps. is also in overly packed sphag, but I am keeping a close watch as it has about 18 blooms out right now. So far it is doing well, but I only have to water it every 10 days or so. It takes a long time to dry out.

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of sphag.

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    I'm sure there are lots of white buggers that hang around phals, but as a paph grower with the constantly moist media and all, I get a lot of springtails. They look like a grain of rice almost...except 1/8th the size, and they jump around. Watering floods them out. I'm told they're pretty much harmless to the plant, although they might hasten media breakdown. If these wormy things jump, they're probably springtails.

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    Originally posted by Paphraguy
    I think you should water it a little less and let it dry off a little. I'm not an expert on Phals but most people tend to water it to death with love of course.
    It is in a 3inch pot, it is a mini. I was only watering it once a week, and the outside medium was drying up. What I wasn't aware of was the fact there was sphag around the roots, which was probably keeping it really wet.

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    Originally posted by lja
    Traci, don't leave it in sphag for any length of time. The stuff just stays way too wet, especially for adult plants. It's deceiving, too. Sphag may feel relatively dry on the top and still be soaked in the middle, where the root zone is. We only use sphag for seedlings here. Does the plant have any good roots left at all?

    If the roots at the plant's base beneath the media have rotted, it's doubtful whether any more roots will develop in that area. The new roots will come out instead along the "stem," and, more than likely, above the level of the media itself. So really, in my opinion anyway, rootone and sphag isn't going to do much good, and the sphag, if it stays too wet, will only help rot what remaining roots are there.

    Did you ever run insecticide through the media like we talked about? I have no idea what those white worms are; sounds like something might have hatched out.

    If it were me, I'd repot in a bark mix. When you think it might be time to water, push a Q-tip down into the root zone and leave it there for a few seconds. If it comes up wet or very damp, hold off on the watering. Only water when the Q-tip comes up almost dry. If you do that for a while you'll get a better sense of when to water each plant.

    I repotted it when I got home, in bark mix. I thought sphag was good for sick plants, I try to stay away from it with the exception of mounting. I think I will have a happy phal in no time at all. There are still quite a few viable roots, so I'm not too too worried now.

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    Originally posted by Heather
    My first phal was overly packed w/ sphag and lost a lot of roots. I repotted w/ a teeny bit of sphag around the roots, and the rest bark mix. It has a new leaf this week! Yippee!

    My Dtps. is also in overly packed sphag, but I am keeping a close watch as it has about 18 blooms out right now. So far it is doing well, but I only have to water it every 10 days or so. It takes a long time to dry out.

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of sphag.

    Congrates on the new leaf, how long have you had it for? I'm not a huge fan of sphag either, I only really use it for mounting orchids, but I thought for some crazy reason it is what people used to help sick orchids. I came home from work and repotted in in bark mix. Hopefully things will be a-okay now.

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    I've had the plant since early February - it was the first one I bought (first ever was a gift for my b-day - best thing my boss ever did for me!) It is just a noid phal - I got sucked in by the multiple branching spikes w/ around 25 buds. I actually cut the spikes in early April, and still have two blooms in water. Leaf came up just this week. Glad it lived.

    Good luck with yours!

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    I thought for some crazy reason it is what people used to help sick orchids
    Traci, several people have reported that plants newly potted in sphag have experienced "revitalizing effects" if they have suffered some root loss, and, for a limited length of time, fresh sphag does provide some fungicidal benefits. But this is all short term-- a period of a couple months. And, if you're not careful watering, there won't be any revitalizing effects at all.

    Your Phal's inner roots were wrapped in sphag because that's what the growers put the seedling in when they transfered it out from flask. When they repotted after it grew some, they just stuck the seedling "plug" inside a pot with mix. Happens all the time; it's pretty common practice actually.

    If you want to keep it in the sphag you've just potted in, absolutely positively MAKE SURE that you only water when the sphag around the root zone is just barely barely damp.

    Ok? Promise?


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