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Too much growth??

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    Is it possible for plants to grow too much? I know this sounds like a silly question, but I have 3 varieties of Catts that have put out 5 new growths this year, and another half dozen with 4 new growths Most of these had 6 - 8 pbulbs, although one had 11. The rest of my Catts that are in the grow cycle all have 2 or 3 except for one, which I divided this year, that has only one growth. So am I doing something really right - or is this some sign of over feeding or something? I use fertilizer once a week (every other watering). I did change fertilizers this year, but the regimen is the same.

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    I've wondered the same thing, so I'll be watching this thread to see what the more experienced (than me) growers have to say.

    Awhile back I had a specimen sized plant that had not stopped making new pseudobulbs since I'd had it (~10 months) but it never bloomed. I asked a local grower what this particular plant favored for blooming, and he said to decrease water to allow it dry out at the roots a little over the winter, its 'resting' stage, but give it lots of water when it's growing. When I told him it had been growing new pseudobulbs all winter, even with cooler temperature and less water, he looked perplexed, like it shouldn't be doing this. I wondered if I'd been overwatering, overfertilizing, etc.?
    (I traded the plant so don't know what came of it.)

    One thought I had, is that my conditions were much better than the environment it came from, and it simply responded by going bonkers with the good water, humidity, air circulation, and light that I gave it? I had this happen with the Gongora I posted awhile back...it stayed in a continuously blooming status for nearly a year, and it is finally now resting on it's own with no help from me....I thought the same thing...it had not been given as much "love and attention" as at my house, and it's like it was catching up for lost time????? I had several forum members suggest this was not good to let it bloom this much, but I followed seasonal recommendations and it didn't make a difference - it kept blooming and starting new growths right through the resting period. It wasn't like I was trying to force it to bloom.

    Anyway, interested to know what others think on this issue.

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    Diane what kind of spell are you using ? wanna share it ? I think as long as the plants are blooming on the new growths all is well , if the growths were weak and no blooms then there would be a problem , usually to much Fert. and not enough light .
    Matt. I think you are right , the plant was making up for lost time , a change in conditions for the good made it happy .
    About the grower but non bloomer , I have a large Catt. I got at a show , it was large when I got it ,I did not notice it had no old bloom points It grew like a weed but did not bloom .
    What I did to it was to give it close Vanda light . It bloomed last year , depending on the back ground some need more sun than we think they need . Just my thoughts on it . Gin

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    Don't know what the numbers are on the fert you're using, but besides what Gin said, the fertilizer might have too much nitrogen, not enough phosphorus or potassium. That can make plants grow like crazy--green growth--but with shabby or no blooms.

    If you're not using a high nitrogen fertilizer then that won't be the issue, and you should just keep chanting those spells!

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    Sooo How much nitrogen is too much?? OR, perhaps a better question is what sort of ratio should the fert have. Currently using 20-20-20 in the medium, and weakly weekly with a water soluable bloom fert. (Dyna Grow - Bloom)

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    Nah.... That's totally fine, so high nitrogen fertilizer isn't the issue. (And, there really isn't an issue--sounds like the plants are just doing really well.) It's said that orchids in bark mix need higher nitrogen, but I've personally never subscribed to that.

    I really don't think there's any problem here--you're just doing everything really right with them. Like Gin said, as long as the plants bloom on these new growths, everything's good. If they don't, then cut back on the fertilizer, increase the light intensity. I've found here that just moving things around a little bit changes conditions enough to stimulate blooming if that's ever an issue.

    BTW, when you say 20-20-20 in the medium, do you mean some kind of time release pellets or something?

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    Diane,
    I think as long as those new growth are spread evenly among the older pbs, eg; one or 2 growth per pb, I think your plant is doing fine.

    I have the same experience with too much growth. Not with a catt but with an oncidium. This plant has 3 pbs, the lead pb produced 4 growths, all at the same time. At first I was excited to see all those growths growing out of just one mother pb. But now, after few months I realised that its not a good thing. All the 4 growths have drained the poor mother pb and now its spent and badly shrivelled. The new growths also are smaller and I don't think they are going to bloom this year.


    Too much of a good thing is bad.

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    Yes, it's a time release formula. One that another grower got me started using last year. Little pellets. It comes in various strengths, 13-13-13, etc.

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    Diane, I think you'll just have to wait and see how they all do. If they turn out stunted like Tanya's saying, and they won't bloom, that would obviously be a problem. That may not happen for you though. I'm curious to find out how it goes when those growths mature.

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    A couple of the faster growing varieties have reached the stage of putting out sheaths. But it seems that neither of the ones that have produced sheaths are going to produce buds

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