I like what you are saying very much. I also can't understand why one shouldn't summer paphs and phrags outdoors due to the chance of them rotting if water gets in their centers. How is that controlled in nature? I know it is solved with phals by the angle in which they grow sheds the water but paphs and phrags grow vertically from the ground and are usually growing in areas with lots of rain. How is the rot controlled in their natural state? You have been on a roll lately with presenting great threads that make us think. Good going, buddy! You definately are a winner!