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A bit of a Vanda predicament

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    Thanks everyone for all the help! I have a lot of options to try out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gage View Post
    Your Vanda looks quite happy! Although I think the color of the leaves looks a bit dark. You will probably need to increase the light in order to bloom it, but maybe not, depending on its lineage. Yes, eventually you will have to manage long sprawling roots. If you are planning on growing it on carpet in the long run, I think vase culture would be extremely practical for you. But the way you are doing it now with the lava rocks will probably make for a bit happier plant (depending on the routine you work out with vase culture), albeit with more to manage as far as trying not to drip the carpet. Soaking in a bucket or the sink and then letting it drip in an empty bucket or the sink will be your best bet in the event you continue keeping it potted. Good luck and congrats on a happy, healthy plant!
    You think it looks too dark? I'm honestly not sure what more I can do to make it any lighter...it already gets blasted by full Texas afternoon sun and has to have a fan on it or it will scorch. (With the exception of the one measly layer of burlap in front of it, anyway) If it can't bloom in nearly full Texas sun, it can't bloom anywhere I'd say. haha My Mokara is quite a bit lighter than it and they receive the same light (not to mention Mokaras need MORE light than a Vanda, right?)...I think the parentage might have something to do with the leaf color? I'm not sure. It's V. Khao Lak x Dr. Anek 'Somsri'. It should be a deep pink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand_tiger86 View Post
    Thanks everyone for all the help! I have a lot of options to try out.



    You think it looks too dark? I'm honestly not sure what more I can do to make it any lighter...it already gets blasted by full Texas afternoon sun and has to have a fan on it or it will scorch. (With the exception of the one measly layer of burlap in front of it, anyway) If it can't bloom in nearly full Texas sun, it can't bloom anywhere I'd say. haha My Mokara is quite a bit lighter than it and they receive the same light (not to mention Mokaras need MORE light than a Vanda, right?)...I think the parentage might have something to do with the leaf color? I'm not sure. It's V. Khao Lak x Dr. Anek 'Somsri'. It should be a deep pink.
    I'm not understanding, is it in full sun or is it shaded by the burlap all day? Burlap will decrease your light probably about 70%, but no less than 40% in my opinion. And is it a covered balcony getting light from one side only? From your posts I gather that it is only getting afternoon direct sun and shade during the morning. If that is the case, I would just give it regular window screen for shade (I'm sure you know you would need to change this gradually over a few days). Otherwise I am curious what the actual light pattern is for your balcony. But as far as color, you generally want to see about a shade lighter than a granny smith apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gage View Post
    I'm not understanding, is it in full sun or is it shaded by the burlap all day? Burlap will decrease your light probably about 70%, but no less than 40% in my opinion. And is it a covered balcony getting light from one side only? From your posts I gather that it is only getting afternoon direct sun and shade during the morning. If that is the case, I would just give it regular window screen for shade (I'm sure you know you would need to change this gradually over a few days). Otherwise I am curious what the actual light pattern is for your balcony. But as far as color, you generally want to see about a shade lighter than a granny smith apple.

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    After taking a second look at your burlap, I see what you mean by "measly". You can't offer much less shade than that. But I'm still curious what the light pattern is?

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    Well my balcony is West facing, so it's just bright-ish all day until about 3-7:30 where the sun comes out and blasts the plants. When the sun's facing my balcony, I know my light meter races past the 2,000 range (which is as far as it goes because it's rather cheap, so I'm not even sure how reliable it is). I just don't know about leaf color...I see a LOT of Vandas on line that in full bloom with almost forest green leaves. I've always been a little weary of the leaf color debate, because like you said, it depends on parentage and I've had high-light plants that wouldn't be that yellow-green color if I stuck them directly onto the sun...but they still bloomed reliably.

    I hate light.

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    Well my balcony is West facing, so it's just bright-ish all day until about 3-7:30 where the sun comes out and blasts the plants. When the sun's facing my balcony, I know my light meter races past the 2,000 range (which is as far as it goes because it's rather cheap, so I'm not even sure how reliable it is). I just don't know about leaf color...I see a LOT of Vandas on line that in full bloom with almost forest green leaves. I've always been a little weary of the leaf color debate, because like you said, it depends on parentage and I've had high-light plants that wouldn't be that yellow-green color if I stuck them directly onto the sun...but they still bloomed reliably.

    I hate light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand_tiger86 View Post
    Well my balcony is West facing, so it's just bright-ish all day until about 3-7:30 where the sun comes out and blasts the plants. When the sun's facing my balcony, I know my light meter races past the 2,000 range (which is as far as it goes because it's rather cheap, so I'm not even sure how reliable it is). I just don't know about leaf color...I see a LOT of Vandas on line that in full bloom with almost forest green leaves. I've always been a little weary of the leaf color debate, because like you said, it depends on parentage and I've had high-light plants that wouldn't be that yellow-green color if I stuck them directly onto the sun...but they still bloomed reliably.

    I hate light.
    I am no expert, my bit of experience has mostly been with vandaceous. So I can only say that in my experience the apple green color principle is true for vandaceous only MOST of the time, but definitely not for all of mine. If you have other Vandas that are blooming for you, then it seems you have your lighting figured out.

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    Well, I've never had a Vanda bloom for me because I've never had a Vanda before now...and I just got it a couple of month ago! haha We'll see. Do you think one layer of standard burlap is too much shade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand_tiger86 View Post
    Well, I've never had a Vanda bloom for me because I've never had a Vanda before now...and I just got it a couple of month ago! haha We'll see. Do you think one layer of standard burlap is too much shade?
    If it were out in the open, I think your burlap might be just enough shade, but maybe not quite enough. But since it only gets direct sun after 3pm, I would guess the only time you really need protection is from 3pm until about 4pm. If I'm right, then your burlap is only serving you good for that one hour, and the rest of the day it is being counter productive. You don't want to filter the morning, midday, and late afternoon light which is already indirect. Are you sure it will scorch at 3pm? Maybe you could put something much lighter than the burlap, or even gradually remove it altogether. What kind of fan do you have blowing out there? That may just be your salvation to enable to to remove the burlap.

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    i use pots. i don't really care for the look of roots in a big tangle, and i find the pots help to contain and control the amount of roots. there will always be some hangin out, but not like in a basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gage View Post
    If it were out in the open, I think your burlap might be just enough shade, but maybe not quite enough. But since it only gets direct sun after 3pm, I would guess the only time you really need protection is from 3pm until about 4pm. If I'm right, then your burlap is only serving you good for that one hour, and the rest of the day it is being counter productive. You don't want to filter the morning, midday, and late afternoon light which is already indirect. Are you sure it will scorch at 3pm? Maybe you could put something much lighter than the burlap, or even gradually remove it altogether. What kind of fan do you have blowing out there? That may just be your salvation to enable to to remove the burlap.
    Ah, I gotcha. Well, I have a large box fan blowing at all times. My intentions were to actually remove the burlap once the plants were acclimated to being outside (which they have been for about a month and a half now) but I know that when I first put them out there with no shade they all burned at least somewhere. I've got my Vanda, Mokara, 3 Catts. and a Dendrobium (hard cane) out there. I'm just scared to remove the burlap now...I'm not sure. Agh!

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