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Paphs. vs. Phrags.

This is a discussion on Paphs. vs. Phrags. within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; It is relatively easy to tell phrags from paphs. vegetatively, phrags are pretty much the ...

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    It is relatively easy to tell phrags from paphs. vegetatively, phrags are pretty much the same. The leaves are hard and superficially grassy...but whether small, like schlimii or pearcei, or gigantic, like longifolium, they are all variations on the same theme...hard. mid to light or even yellowish green, with inrolled margins. Some, like pearcei (= equadorense) are narrow and grassy, or sedge-like, the others are broader, but basically they are all the same type...One of the main reasons I prefer paphs...even in the same species or grex, paphs have tremendous variety in their leaves. Especially with the mottled-leaf forms, even with seedlings from the same flask, no two will have exactly the same patterns. As for flowers, paphs are (usually) waxy and long lasting....at least 2 weeks, and frequently up to 3 months or more. Phrags are less waxy, and individual flowers rarely last more than 2 weeks. Paph blooms fade before dying...phrags drop off in pristine shape, except for the caudatum types, which stop growing their petals and turn somewhat yellowish before dropping...again, in perfect shape. Overall, phrags are much easier to grow and bloom, despite a distressing tendency to brown or burnt looking leaf tips.....and appear nearly immune to root rot. In fact, I sometimes think phrags prefer old mucky stale mixes....I repot phrags when I finally remember too...sometimes after 3-4 years...nothing remains of the mix, except for brown slime and loads of healthy roots. Even so, I still prefer paphs.....Take care, Eric Muehlbauer in Queens NY....phrags Dick Clements in (near perpetuall) bloom, along with Schroderae....paphs micranthum, charlesworthii, delanatii, wardii in spike along with lots of hybrids.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmoney
    there is one group of paphs that flowers successively
    Jason, I have one of these, my only paph. Another of my beloved noids from Trader Joes last summer when I started. It made quite a few flowers, one after another, for a while. The full size new growth hasn't bloomed yet, and there are two or three new little ones poking up. I couldn't even reliably tell you what the flowers look like, except they're dark purple striped, I think.

    What's the name of the group that flowers successively??? I'm kind of curious to see if I can narrow my plant down past 'paph'.
    Thank you (again!)
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    Eric, that's the longest post I've ever seen you make. Good and exacting info: your particulars couldn't have been more well said. Thanks for that.

    When it comes to hybrids, all "rules" go right out the window in terms of a certain group that's succesively multi-floral. But in terms of species....

    (Jason, you're on....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liz
    What's the name of the group that flowers successively??? I'm kind of curious to see if I can narrow my plant down past 'paph'.
    Thank you (again!)
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    Section "cochlopetalum" is the group of successive-flowering paphs. It includes species like primulinum, glaucophyllum/moquettianum, chamberlainianum aka victoria-reginae, and victoria-mariae. If you have a picture of the bloom, it may or may not be possible to differentiate (there are also hybrids within the group).

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    Thank you Jason! I'll google some pics to see if anything looks close, but it's been so long since it bloomed that I'm not sure I'd recognize it. You've given me a great start, though!
    Liz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liz
    Thank you Jason! I'll google some pics to see if anything looks close, but it's been so long since it bloomed that I'm not sure I'd recognize it. You've given me a great start, though!
    Liz
    be sure to get back to us with a pic during the next blooming!

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