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Semi Terete, Help with ID.

This is a discussion on Semi Terete, Help with ID. within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Originally Posted by angela Thanks Cathy, It certainly looks very much like it. I am ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by angela View Post
    Thanks Cathy,
    It certainly looks very much like it. I am puzzled because I don't recall having heard that name before so I am wondering where i got it
    Thanks for your help.
    Could very well be V Miss Udorn Sunshine (JVB x denisoniana), one of the crosses suggested by me in my previous post. The tiny freckles and scent , smaller sized flowers than other JVB hybrids, broader lip all point to this possibility.

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    how about Vanda TMA, saw some photos online that look similar, but Cathy and Yew are better at this than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stateless View Post
    how about Vanda TMA, saw some photos online that look similar, but Cathy and Yew are better at this than me.
    This is not Vanda T.M.A. which was registered by TMA Nursery (No longer in existence) in 1957 with cross of V (Euanthe) sanderiana x Josephine van Brero. Prior to this, the most famous JVB cross was named V Tan Chay Yan, a cross registered in 1952 with the parents JVB x V dearii, and which won a Gold Medal at the prestigious Chelsea Flower Show in the 1950's. This plant caused quite a sensation then, with its flat flowers and salmon coloured blooms. It also raised quite a controversy, with sceptics doubting the accuracy of the registered parents. Breeders in Malaya(then) and Singapore rushed to repeat the cross but none gave blooms similar to V Tan Chay Yan. Almost all had twisted flowers and much shorter spikes (very much like those in Angela's pictures) than the original V Tan Chay Yan. This was attributed to the fact that V dearii had twisted petals on very short spikes. A nursery in Singapore ,T.M.A. Orchids, however, made a cross with JVB x V sanderiana and produced blooms identical to the original registered Tan Chay Yan. He registered this cross in 1957 and named it Vanda T.M.A. This success in reproducing an almost identical V TCY reinforced the the belief of the many orchidists who doubted the accuracy of the original registered parents. Some years after this controversy, a breeder from Johore, claimed to have reproduced a TCY, identical to the original by using a superior clone of V dearii He named it V Tan Chay Yan var 'Katherine Pink'. I have never seen this clone nor has anyone of my friends and acquaintances. Now 50 years after the controversy I still remain unconvinced about the accuracy of the original registered parents of V TCY.

    V Josephine van Brero is a tetraploid and its influence on its progenies is very strong, and most JVB hybrids tend to look very much like each other - thus JVB crosses are usually referred to as Tan Chay Yan types. BTW most Chay Yan type hybrids are triploid and are mules as far as hybridising with them is concerned. One of the very,very few success is V Mimi Palmer (Cathy's favourite) - TCY x tessellata. I am not sure but I believe that the tessellata used in that cross was a tetraploid. Due to the dominance of the tetraploid JVB it was very difficult to produce colours other than the salmon pink but I believe with tetraploid blue vandas (V Rothchildiana for example) it is possible to produce reasonable 'blues'. I recently posted a picture of my V Tan Chin Tuan (JVB x Rothchildiana) with a light 'blue' colour.

    Sorry for the long-winded ramblings but JVB's always get me going and sometimes not coherently either.

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    You are always, always interesting, Yew. I come away learning something from you all the time. This was an excellent explanation that I will come back to reread many times. A mantra on famous semi-terete breeding's.

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    Thanks Yew, I agree with Cathy, you are never long winded, always very interesting, and I always learn something from your knowledgeable explanations.
    I am not about to give you any more "homework" I am attaching another photo of the flowers taken today. In view of your explanations of the crossings, i wanted to point out the twisted petals and the very strong, lovely scent of this plant.
    I have researched all of the leads given by everyone, and I am inclined to go with V. Miss Udorn Sunshine. Of all those that I have had a look at, it comes closest to the JVB influence, and the twisted petals.
    Would you be also so inclined? (I am quite aware that I may never be sure).
    Thanks so muchfor your help. We can always rely on it.
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    Thanks Angela; and I would be inclined to agree with you re the name V Miss Udorn Sunshine. The strong scent is an indication of the influence of denisoniana.

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