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Is this a keiki?

This is a discussion on Is this a keiki? within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Hello all, I know what a keiki looks like on a phal plant, but this ...

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    Hello all,

    I know what a keiki looks like on a phal plant, but this is a growth on a peggy ruth carpenter orchid.... Can anyone identify whether or not this is just the plant growing, or if I should indeed clip this off and pot it. Please see attached photo. Thanks
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    I would not remove it.

    Many orchids get 'new growths' which is where they next flower from. That is what it looks like to me. Much like an oncidium.

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    No, it's a new growth. This is simply how these types of orchids put out new pseudobulbs/leaves. It's a sympodial orchid (an orchid with separate pseudobulbs all attached to a connecting rizome such as Oncidiums, Cattleys etc.). True keikis on these types of orchids are quite rare. Keikis normally occur on monopodial orchids, such as Phals and Vandas.

    Just a tip - Your leaves and pseudobulb are wrinkled, even on the new growth. This means you either need to water more, or that all of your roots are dead/rotten from overwatering, causing the plant to become dehydrated from a lack of proper roots. Check the root system to see what's going on there. We're all here to help! In any event, make sure to take care of those new roots the new shoot is sending out. It's possible they're all you've got right now.
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    Thanks! Yeah, I think it may have been overwatered many times :/ The vendor i bought the plants from uses moss and packed them pretty tight, even though there is styrofoam on the bottom. I actually removed a leaf that had turned yellow, so it's definitely an over watering situation. I just cant find any decent mix at stores in my area.... I also used to soak the whole plant for maybe 5 mins at a time, I always worry that just letting water run through wont feed the plant enough :P probably not the best idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand_tiger86;
    In any event, make sure to take of those new roots the new shoot is sending out. It's possible they're all you've got right now.
    Just to be certain that no one misreads you...
    This should read "take CARE of those new roots."
    With occasional language barriers, I was terrified that someone might read that as "take OFF those new roots".
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    Hahah yeah. thats what I figured.
    I unpotted it again and most of the roots are beigy brown, but firm im assuming that's rot? Tried to unpack the medium as much as I could, for now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cakedaddy View Post
    Just to be certain that no one misreads you...
    This should read "take CARE of those new roots."
    With occasional language barriers, I was terrified that someone might read that as "take OFF those new roots".
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    Oh Lord, thank you. I edited my post! That could've been a disaster. haha

    Yes, take CARE of those roots!

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    If they are firm, the roots aren't rotted. Soaking the plant for a few minutes is fine, just let it dry out before you water again. Re-potting with a medium bark, maybe put a bit of sphagnum moss in it to hold some moisture would work well for the plant. However, changing the medium will further damage the old roots, as they adapted to the conditions of the green house it was formerly grown in. Orchid roots adapt as they grow, so re-potting when your plant is growing new roots is a good idea. Also it will do better with good humidity and air movement. Humidity without air movement will give you spots on your leaves that will become bigger over time and damage the plant (fungal). Your plant looks like an Oncidium or Odontoglossum or one of the many crosses. That is what I am basing my advice on. I just sprayed all mine with Physan - having a hard time finding the right balance of water, humidity and air movement here myself and they have bad roots, aren't getting enough water AND are getting spots and fungus at the same time! ACK! Hopefully I can bring that around and get them growing well again.

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    Hi Carol,
    Thanks so much! I repotted it to bark yesterday before i saw your post. Hopefully the plant wont be too stressed out... Yeah, I,m having trouble with the conditions. It used to be a plant in my office, which got constant bright indirect light. I always used to wait until it dried out to water it again, but I think in winter the air circulation became poor so the medium dried out before the roots could. You've made me paranoid about a little zygopetallum that was given to me as a "throw-in" by the nice owner of the greenhouse when I bought my plants -- There used to only be three bulbs in the pot and now there are gorgeous big leaves - but they have black spots on them, and Im now realizing that maybe it's not due to excessive light. Here`s a pic.... any thoughts? The roots look great from what I can tell... almost like that of a healthy phal. Sheesh, I`m known as the green thumb in my circle but you guys know a lot more than I do!!
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