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    I have always been a natural grower. I don't believe in hormones and forced growth. Recently I decided to knock off my wish list and ventured into something new. On my wish list was the "Dove" orchid which arrived four days ago. When I got it it was a little shriveled in the leaves and some insects had obviously chewed a few holes but nothing I didn't think could be treated (yes, I know pics would help and those of you that know me know when I can, I am not shy in taking them).

    Anyhow, yesterday I noticed the leaves turning yellow and falling off. Worse, one of my dendrobiums next to it, is losing its new growth in a similar way. The holes on the leaves are very small almost like an ant done it (wasnt ants). Inside the shoots of the leaves it looks like there is a black residue. If I left anything out please feel free to question me and as soon as I can I will post a pic. Until then any advise to save my beautiful Dove is appreciated.

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    Hi Kim,
    My question is about growing media. What do you use for your Peristeria? It is a terrestrial orchid and requires special mix. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir.
    I have two Peristerias, the Dove orchid (Peristeria elata) and Peristeria pendula. None of them has bloomed yet. However, both guys are doing OK (I assume). Sometimes some of their leaves turn yellow and dry but I think it is quite common for this genera. I might be wrong but it is my belief.
    These two like to loose one or two p-bulbs sometimes. They easily get rotten so you better keep your eye on growing media. Peristeria elata does not like too wet media.
    I grow my Peristeria elata in terrestrial orchid mix and Peristeria pendula in sphagnum moss.
    Peristeria elata


    Peristeria pendula

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    kspalding,... sounds like the orchid i got 3 days ago,.. tiny holes on leaves with something brownish in the middle,.. the hole looks like perfect hole,.. ill post the pic again if it looks similar like this,.. but mine doesn't seem to expand... it stays like that. but i read holes on orchid leaves could be caused by either slugs or snails,..

    there is one article about about how to treat it naturally that i havent done. ill copypaste

    "Make a cornmeal trap. Put a tablespoon or two of cornmeal in a jar and lay it on its side wherever there is slug activity. The slugs will be attracted to the scent, but the texture of the meal is too harsh and will kill them. Leave the jar out overnight or for several hours; when you spot the slugs in the jar, you can dispose of them permanently to remove them from your garden."

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    Natali-I just recieved it a few days ago and have yet to repot it from the media it came in. Looks almost like a charcol blend with crushed oyster shell. Considering it seems to be spreading to my other orchids, I am leaning more toward infestation or bacteria. It appears to be swarming with gnat-like insects but this doesn't mean infestation exactly since the insects could just be attracted to a disease in the plant.

    I ordered some insecticides and fungal treatment for my plants I just hate to treat the wrong ailment. I only hope mine gets as big as yours. Compared to yours mine looks like a baby. The bulbs are very large though and the leaves that haven't fallen off yet are thick and long. Other than a little shriveled they seemed healthy. Thank you so much for responding since we live in the same environment you will have to keep me updated on your plant good and bad so that I may learn how to raise this baby plant!

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    Lijun- That seems about right. Ironically the box they came in said inspected for slugs and snails. I know that this is a common issue with this particular orchid. I haven't come across any trails that indicate slugs but I will surely have to better inspect my medium before I lose anymore orchids. Thank you.

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    also want to copy paste this orchid symptoms list and possible cause..
    maybe also helpful for other newbies like me...

    SYMPTOMS. - POSSIBLE CAUSE

    Irregular markings on leaves, discolored or uneven patches on flowers - possible viral infection

    Uneven pieces removed from leaf border - weevils

    Un-natural silvery underside to leaves - spider mite

    Silvery trails on plants and benches - slugs or snails

    Holes in leaves or flower stems or flowers - slugs or snails

    Dark mildew on leaves, hard limpet creatures underside of leaves - common scale

    Cotton wool type of stuff ( brownish creature inside of mass) - mealybug

    Flat scales on mainly underside of leaves and or tiny white fluffy masses - boisduval scale

    Depressed dark spots possibly with lighter ring round them - fungal infection

    Limp flaccid leaves on Phalaenopsis etc. - root problems

    Dark brown or whitened patches on leaf - sunburn

    Yellow or very light green leaves but plant flowers - too much light

    Dark green leaves but plant does not flower - too little light

    Flower buds develop then turn yellow and drop off - shock

    Leaf tips turn brown - over feeding

    Honey dew on leaves - greenfly

    Plant falls out of pot - earthquake

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    Quote Originally Posted by kspalding View Post
    Thank you so much for responding since we live in the same environment you will have to keep me updated on your plant good and bad so that I may learn how to raise this baby plant!
    You're welcome! Sure I will.
    Kim, have you ever tried Triple Action Plus from Ferti-Lome? You can buy it in a feed store or online. Neem oil based, works well against fungus and different insects including armored scales. I heard that Python-27 is a great bactericide but I never tried it .

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    As I mentioned.... In the 7 yrs. I have worked with orchids I never needed to use artificial means to save them. Most problems were easily treated with rubbing alcohol or soap. This is not the case this time. I have tried everything I can think of. I ordered MSU and Liquid Seaweed along with some other hormones to try and strengthen my plants to their original start. I grew phals for most of the time and just recently ventured into new types of plants. I don't know if the changes are affecting my outcomes (new style of growing, new risks, and new care treatments, etc...) or not but I do know the vortex over the winter didn't help. There is one upside. My Paph. Hawaiian Illusion is still blooming even with the affliction. Just started opening yesterday. I am going insane without my phone since this is definately a Kodak moment .

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    they are weird but tough plants...we have several large clumps of pendula in straight soil and they grow welll with our wet and dry seasons....they keiki at the top of old baseball sized backbulbs sometimes and as they are ''humus epiphytes'' i pot them up in perlite,promix and soil with a layer of coarse gravel at the bottom of clay pots....sometimes they really turn moderately yellowish but as the rainy season comes the temperatures obviously drop a bit and the clouds ease the scorching sun...everything takes off with a growth phase...slugs and fungi arent are issue nor are pests strangely enough....i have had one or two backbulbs rot from the middle of small plants that werent established yet...as usual they thrive on benign neglect...orchids are tough

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    there is one thread here about hole on leaves,...
    a few holes looks like mine, but some holes are actually bigger,irregular shapes..
    http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...eaf-holes.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kjeldz View Post
    they are weird but tough plants...we have several large clumps of pendula in straight soil and they grow welll with our wet and dry seasons....they keiki at the top of old baseball sized backbulbs sometimes and as they are ''humus epiphytes'' i pot them up in perlite,promix and soil with a layer of coarse gravel at the bottom of clay pots....sometimes they really turn moderately yellowish but as the rainy season comes the temperatures obviously drop a bit and the clouds ease the scorching sun...everything takes off with a growth phase...slugs and fungi arent are issue nor are pests strangely enough....i have had one or two backbulbs rot from the middle of small plants that werent established yet...as usual they thrive on benign neglect...orchids are tough
    Kim would you have a magnifying glass around?. You could possibly use a magnifyng glass to inspect the crime scene. once you know whom you are dealing with the solution would be easier. sure it would be a pest of some sort.

    I have a dove orchid and I grow them on mix of coco peat + perlite + vermi-compost. its doing ok. I water them may be once a week or so.

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