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Public Request: Please Use the Proper Naming Conventions

This is a discussion on Public Request: Please Use the Proper Naming Conventions within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; On "disposable" orchids... The industry certainly considers them disposable, just as potted plants in general, ...

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    On "disposable" orchids... The industry certainly considers them disposable, just as potted plants in general, or cut flowers. They want the public to consider them disposable too - buy another one, don't try to keep this one alive. That is why they provide limited or inaccurate care instructions, no identification, poor potting material for long term care, etc. Maximize profits, not quality or service. They can do this because the buying public accepts it. When you buy a no-name orchid in an inappropriate pot without good care instructions, you encourage the whole disposable culture of the industry. You may think you're getting the most affordable plant that way, but you are also getting the lowest quality they can get away with. Correct names, in particular, would cost the industry very little to maintain and supply, if the buying public demanded it.

    There's nothing wrong with disposable orchids, if that's what you want. Just as some gardeners want the latest hybrid roses, while others are just as happy with the dandelions in the ditch by the side of the road.

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    Thank you Jack for your reply, I couldn't agree more.

    In fact I was about to make a comment regarding disposables but decided not to in fear of offending somebody.
    I composed it but rescinded, however I kept a copy of it, so I will post it now.

    If you want to build up your membership regardless whether it's a forum or a club, you must learn how to control your emotions. If you deem yourself an expert with many years of experience, you must control your criticism or you will lose members. Intimidation and the fear of not being accepted is what drives most beginners and novices away. It's that simple!

    Having been a V.P. and a Judge of a koi club I know this well. Most new or novice members used to bring in koi that I (and several others) would normally throw away. This is what we call Junk Fish, or Ornamental koi, which is what you'll find at most luxury hotels with ponds, and ponds you see in Japanese style parks. The bottom line is that they are NOT 'Show Quality Nishikigoi', so these people are not even in the same ballpark as one would say.

    But some members are so sensitive and intimidated that the mere insinuation that their koi is JUNK, and it's the last you'll see of them.

    So, yes ... we're here to share and communicate, but not to intimidate! I'm sure that the intent of this Website is not only to share the joys of growing orchids but also to increase membership. If it comes down to just a few active members participating (as seems to be the case lately), then the membership seriously will go down and it might as well shut down. Or Bruce can start an Expert only corner where only they can congregate.

    ...and for those who deem themselves experts: Please bear in mind that YOU started out the same way as the newbies. How soon we forget!
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    Just raising my hand to say thanks to everyone who does bother to use naming conventions properly. I'm a beginner, and it actually makes it much easier to understand what's going on because it conveys name information more precisely. When all the words in a name sound foreign, at least I can understand their rank the order and typeface. Just by reading Dendrobium Jaquelyn Thomas 'Uniwai Supreme' I know a lot about that plant. Also, the rules are pretty simple, even when the family trees apparently aren't.

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    Though I would never use the term expert to describe myself, I don't have to wait to be labeled and banished. I can remove myself immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaphMadMan View Post
    Though I would never use the term expert to describe myself, I don't have to wait to be labeled and banished. I can remove myself immediately.
    In truth Eric, most folks , including myself would lose a great deal of informative and useful information and guidance if you or Ray and a few others I could mention (won't because it would go to their heads) decided to leave the forum over a discussion such as this. Some folks have been here for only a very short while and should be given time decide if this is the forum for them or not.

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    This thread has taken an odd turn, hasn't it?

    Let's keep in mind that in the orchid world, and "expert" is someone who has killed his or her weight in orchids! I'm just grateful that I seem to have more room for "expertise" every year! Why my doctor doesn't understand that, I have no idea.

    Also, let's not forget that - many times - how a comment is taken by someone is as much determined by the recipient as the giver of the comment, and their mood at the moment can affect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaphMadMan View Post
    Though I would never use the term expert to describe myself, I don't have to wait to be labeled and banished. I can remove myself immediately.
    That is the last thing this forum needs and I did not mean to call anyone an expert in a derogatory way. We need all the people we can get who actually respond to threads, we need to understand and remember we are giving advise to those that have not been doing this for very long and not turn them off! I understand that this hobby is not growing as fast as it use too so we need to keep the ones we have and hope that it will help someone who reads these threads to decide that this is a hobby that they should get into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauaiguy View Post
    If it comes down to just a few active members participating (as seems to be the case lately), then the membership seriously will go down and it might as well shut down.
    I have been wondering about that myself recently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDT View Post
    That is the last thing this forum needs and I did not mean to call anyone an expert in a derogatory way. We need all the people we can get who actually respond to threads, we need to understand and remember we are giving advise to those that have not been doing this for very long and not turn them off! I understand that this hobby is not growing as fast as it use too so we need to keep the ones we have and hope that it will help someone who reads these threads to decide that this is a hobby that they should get into.

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    I have been wondering about that myself recently!
    One thing to keep in mind about forum activity is that it is summer. A lot of people are on vacation. many of us who live in colder climes are getting as much as they can out of the few months remaining before winter returns. Perhaps those of us who hang out all the time need to get a life? Another point, a good forum is like a family. There are members who hang around all the time to keep house. Many others drop in from time to time to eat or drop off potlucks of there own. I think I may have gotten off subject

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    Sorry for jumping in bit late. I feel, all of us are here as hobbyists to share, grow and bloom our favorite passion of orchids. Knowing names does help but it is not mandatory.

    As an example, say I am visiting France and my objective is to communicate with people there and grammar is not really important but interest to communicate and subject of discussion is. On the other hand if I want to write in a newspaper, grammar is important.

    Thanks BD for creating this forum. I feel the objective of the forum is to connect people across the world in sharing our passion for orchids. In my view, knowing the name or not knowing the name should not be coming in the way of our passion or sharing it.

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    I don't want anyone to go away.

    Just ask yourself before you post a 'correction' to someone else, 'How would I feel if this was directed at me?'

    If you are good with that, then hit "Post". If not, soften the tone and then post it.

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