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Re-potting questions

This is a discussion on Re-potting questions within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Thanks for your replies so far. I'm quite certain she's a phali, though not as ...

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    Question Re-potting questions

    Thanks for your replies so far. I'm quite certain she's a phali, though not as tall as Tindomul's. She's of the typical sort you see in run-of-the-mill floral shops and Asian restaurants. Deep lush foliage with fairly ovular leaves similar to those of a rubber plant. Two tall branches leading to bowed stems covered with white blooms that each have two flat, almost circular petals framed by 1-3 similar but smaller petals. In the center of each is a tiny triad of petals, two of which crown a yellow stamen with deep red speckles; the third inner petal is on the bottom-- it is clefted in the middle and sort of curls forward like a smiling mouth. She's a beauty. I'll post pictures once I'm confident that I'm good at caring for her.

    OK, onto the re-potting questions. Is bark better than sphygmum moss for a phali? When should I re-pot (e.g. right before the next watering seems sensible?) What's the best way to remove the plant from her original pot without damaging her? Can someone also guide me through the steps of cleaning and repotting properly?

    thanks again,
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    Deep lush foliage with fairly ovular leaves similar to those of a rubber plant.
    -- Phals grow all their leaves from the same point/stem. Its called monopodial growth.
    Two tall branches leading to bowed stems covered with white blooms that each have two flat, almost circular petals
    --These are the petals, they are nice arent they? But,

    framed by 1-3 similar but smaller petals
    ----these are the sepals. These are closest to the stem of the flower right?

    In the center of each is a tiny triad of petals, two of which crown a yellow stamen with deep red speckles; the third inner petal is on the bottom-- it is clefted in the middle and sort of curls forward like a smiling mouth.
    ---That one is called the lip, its a highly modified petal.

    She's a beauty. I'll post pictures once I'm confident that I'm good at caring for her.

    OK, onto the re-potting questions. Is bark better than sphygmum moss for a phali? When should I re-pot (e.g. right before the next watering seems sensible?) What's the best way to remove the plant from her original pot without damaging her? Can someone also guide me through the steps of cleaning and repotting properly?

    ----I've had good luck with mine in sphagnum. I just make sure it dries out before it water it again. Im not really experienced, so listen to others before following my advice.

    thanks again,
    ---You are welcome.

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    Tindomul gave you some great information. I have my phals in different media, depending on what they were happy in when I got them. Some in small bark, some in sphag, and when I repot I usually use a mix of bark and sphag. A lot depends on your environment, and how often you want to water. Those in bark at my place need water about every 5 days. The ones in straight sphag get watered once every 7 to 10 days, the ones in the bark-sphag mix get watered about once a week, depending on how the humidity is.

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    Yes to all the above! To repot, soak the plant well first. That will soften the roots and make them more pliable. It doesn't matter when in the watering cycle you repot, but you do risk losing the blooms if you do it while they're flowering.

    I've bought many Phals that were incorrectly potted (as yours is) with poor or no drainage. Because blooms can last for months, I figured the incorrect potting could kill the plant if I waited for the flowers to drop. I placed the health of the plant above the risk that repotting might 'blast' the blooms (ie, they wither and die). So I'd recommend repotting right away. Just be aware of the risk.

    Use luke warm water when cleaning the old potting material from the roots. That will be less of a shock to the plant. If you repot into sphag, dont pack the moss down too tightly. It will lessen the air pockets, and those are what make sphag such a great medium for Phals and Paphs.

    Good luck!

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    Thumbs up What a great bunch....

    ....you all are. Thanks for all the helpful information. Most of all, you've made me feel comfortable with the idea that as long as I take a few necessary precautions, I can care for my baby pretty well.

    For those who have asked (and just in case it makes a difference), I live in NYC so the Southern exposure is partially shaded by the rear-facing buildings. I did notice a little sunburn, though, and I believe it's because I wasn't using the sheer curtains the first day. Spring is pretty temperate here, and I would say the day/night temperature range (70's/50's) is suitable for a phal. When it's colder, like last night.... brrrrr..... I just keep the window closed and give her a little more mist.

    Also, dunno why I've been writing "sphygmum" instead of "sphagnum" but I'll correct that forthwith!

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    Default Phal. Problems

    purchased our Phal. at an Orchid show in Mar.
    it had a double spike, many roots at above pot level.

    after about 4 wks. leafs became limp and shriveled.
    we repoted in a bark mix. medium. the original mix we removed was black and rotting and contained alot or gravel and charcoal as best as we can tell.
    we removed dead roots and covered all the good roots with the new medium. but now the leafs have not improved & the flowers are wilting.

    also we had to remove a black mold or something on the bottom edges of the leafs before we repoted.

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    Oh no, sounds like rot. You probably watered too much. But others here have more expertise than I.

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    So many plants are potted in inappropriate mixtures upon purchase - you can't blame yourself if one dies on you in these conditions...it never had a chance! That's why I always repot immediately upon purchase, even if it's blooming.

    The little flower store up the street had a sign out today that said, "Lady Slipper Orchids - $40." I knew that was a princely sum for whatever they might be offering, but I popped in, curious to see what they had.

    They had a couple of suk hybrids, what looked to be a maudiae x phil cross of some sort, and a few others. They were all potted in glass vases with zero drainage, and none were tagged. I asked the girl if they had name tags, and she said no - these were the lady slipper orchids and the others were the (sic) 'phales.' So much for info...

    So they were selling NOIDS at twice what they were worth, if they were identified, and potted such that you couldn't help but kill them quickly. Caveat emptor!

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    Delores,

    Really sorry to hear about your plant. Like Cesar was saying, your plant is suffering from crown rot. The survival of your plant is based on how deep the rot got to the crown. From my last experience, this is what I was told.

    1. Cut off the flower spike down to an inch from the base
    2. Repot the plant

    REPOTTING (make sure the media has been pre-soaked)

    3. spray the plastic pot w/ a diluted mixture of physan 20 to kill the mold and mildew
    4. spray the roots of the plant. It will not help the rot but will get rid of the mold and mildew growing on the roots
    5. take the plant and soak the roots in a hydrogen peroxide solution for about 5 - 7 minutes
    6. treat any broken roots/cuts with cinnamon
    7. repot the plant and place it in a shady area (to promote root growth)
    8. use caution when watering. It need to stay a little dry during its recovery period

    Take a look of the attached picture. 2 months ago when my phal came by mail, it was really bad. I had to removed 3/4 of the roots due to rot. But the rot had already eaten its way inside the body of the crown. All the buds were blasted and my leaves would fall off one by one until the last one (the texture of the last leaf was very flimsy and it would droop like a wet cardboard.

    I followed the steps mentioned above and managed to salvage the plant (my little handicapped child). The leaf has since harden and the roots are growing again but I don't know what will happen next. I'm still waiting for a new leaf.

    Good luck.

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    Cinnamon is used to treat cuts on the leaves and body of a plant, it really should not be used on roots, as it has an root growth inhibiting habit. The soak in the hydrogen peroxide solution after triming the roots should be good enough.

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