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Help ID this Paph.

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    Question Help ID this Paph.

    hello everyone, I got this one as a gift from the nursery I made one of my purchases a while back. I wanted to buy it but there was no tag so he told me I could have it. It was a long wait, but I got a spike and then the bud took a while longer to open and now I have no clue what it is. any guesses?
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    Its a little early to tell, looks like it could be a moquettianum cross... or a couple of others....

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    my guess is Paph Hirsulinium

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    Quote Originally Posted by likespaphs
    my guess is Paph Hirsulinium
    Very possible - need to wait to see it fully opened and see if the pouch and sepal are the right shape/color...

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    where can I find a pic of that Paph hirsulinium?
    I ko it's a cross between Paph. hirsutissimum and Paph. primulinim, but can't find a pic anywhere.

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    I second hirsutissimum x primulinum. or perhaps substitute esquirolei for hirsutissimum. of course it's hard to know for sure...

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    Third.
    P. esquirolei/hirsutissium is a pretty obvious parent when used in breeding. They are really the only one(s) to have such distinctive spotting and those extremely wavy petals.

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    There's no way of knowing whether it's even a primary hybrid, which makes it all but impossible to guess for sure.

    It clearly has some Chochlopetalum parentage somewhere in it's past. Either glaucophyllum (aka moquettianum), primulinum, or liemianum would be my guess. And it doesn't look like a Chochlo x Chochlo cross.

    If we were to assume it's a primary hybrid, by process of elimination we can rule out the subgenera Parvi, Brachy, Cory, and I think Pardalo for the other parent. That would leave the subgenera Paphio and Barbata, (hirsutissimum belongs to the former.) Coloration could be hirsuit, or even henryanum, from Paphio, but there are a number of possiblities in Barbata.

    Some possibilities:

    liemianum x hirsutissimum = Chu Chu
    liemianum x henryanum = Limidolli
    glaucophylum x mastersianum = Hochbergianum
    glaucophylum x henryanum = Diane Vickery
    glaucophylum x hirsutissimum = Mishtawayawininiwak (no kidding!)
    primulinum x henryanum = Tropical Magic
    primulinum x hirsutissimum = Hirsulinium

    And of course all the myriads of complex crosses based on any of these.

    I don't think we can tell you who the parents are, but we can tell you they're probably among the above.

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    to me, the very pale, light orange pouch heavily favors primulinum as a parent. the other cochlos have pouches that range in the pinks through the magentas/purples. hirsutissimum/esquirolei have tan-colored pouches.

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    I'm also going for the hirsutissimum x primulinum! pretty much the same reason already given...

    1. hirsutissimum influences - petals colour and ruffling, the dorsal overlay of brown
    2. primulinum influences - light colour of pouch


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