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This is a discussion on European Growers within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Okay, so I'm curious to hear from our international growers out there. Pretty Bug and ...

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    Okay, so I'm curious to hear from our international growers out there. Pretty Bug and Paphraguy both have asked about this recently. So, what's the scoop - how available are certain genera in Europe - does Dana in Sweden have better luck getting say, Oncidiums than Joao in Portuagal? How available are the paphs/phrags? Is getting orchids from other European nations nearby as tricky as getting things from other countries over here? And as Jen asked, why is it that so many old world plants are trickier to get in the old world than here in the new (I think she mentioned their closer proximity)?

    Is it simply a supply and demand issue? Is the "orchid craze" just more prevalent now in America? As it was in England throughout the victorian era? Do you guys have local societies?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

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    I don't know about other genera but I think Paphs and Phrags are very popular in Asia first and then probably Europe after the US and Canada, just my guess!

    I'm very curious to know if Paphs and Phrags are readily available in Europe as they are here in the States!

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    let's see...i haven't had much experience with vedors yet...this is mostly cause i'm still very new at this wonderfull addiction.

    In sweden you mostly find the nameless Phals in the stores, sometimes gardencenters have some noid oncidiums, cambria, epi (ballerinas) and phaps.
    I actually once found a noid vanda at our local florist (yeay for me)
    Forget about finding a nursery, i know there's at least 1 in sweden but i haven't found it yet.
    I've discovered 1 swedish site that sells orchids but i haven't bought anything from them yet. There are some orchids shops in Stockholm and Malmö but for me it would mean a 6 or 8 hours drive.
    I've just joined the swedish orchid society, there's not a local orchid society where i live but we have been talking about starting one.

    I have looked around on the net and found some european nurseries (mostly Dutch, German and Danish) that sell online and ship to countries within the European community.
    For some spiecies you need a cites document (imported plants) but if the plant is grown from seed or cloned then i believe you don't need it.

    I'm hoping Joćo can share his knowledge about this since i'm quite new to all of this.

    Holland is a big flower country, there are quite alot of orchid nurseries there.
    Sadly i wasn't interessted in orchids when i lived in Holland so i haven't visited them.

    I'm sorry if i haven't been able to answer all your questions.

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    Thanks Dana, very interesting! I'm just curious about all of this. With the internet, I am lucky as a new grower that I basically have access to so many growers at my fingertips here in the US. Enough so that I can be picky and choosey in my vendor choices. Very easy to take that for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heather
    Thanks Dana, very interesting! I'm just curious about all of this. With the internet, I am lucky as a new grower that I basically have access to so many growers at my fingertips here in the US. Enough so that I can be picky and choosey in my vendor choices. Very easy to take that for granted.
    Hey, Slipper Queen! ( LOL!)

    I agree that we're very fortunate here in the US to have so many vendors to choose from and we can get just about any orchids, Paphs/Phrags. However, there are some Paph and Phrags species I would love to get my hands on and just can't get them here in USA, or at least legally! Slipper Queen, you know which Paph and Phrag I'm talking about.

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    Yes, i quite envy the bunch of you, I've tried to get adopted on this forum withous success

    I'm just gonna be rude and ask what kinda orchid you're talking about :P

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    Ahhh yes, see now if I was *truly* Slipper Queen, I could wave my little magic paphrag wand and *poof* we'd all have Phrag. kovachii in our living rooms...

    Alas, Slipper Queen is not that and doesn't want the feds after her....

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    Believe it or not, i had never heard of this orchid before so i just looked up a pic of it and it's really pretty.
    I never fancied Paphs and Phrags (sorry Pete & Heather) but this one is really lovely.

    This Phrag has caused some commotion though.

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    Well as far as Orchids from non-nurseries it,s just usually NOID Phals , most of these are Dutch grown.Occasionally an Oncidium & Miltionopsis.Nurseries have a pretty good selection but sometimes limited quantity , i suppose they have to stock orchids that will sell in our limited UK growing period.
    For Paphs we,re pretty well set.Radcliffe plants have about everything you could want , apparantly they have 1 off the best selections world wide.They do have an American online shop.
    In the UK we pay about the same in £(pounds sterling) as you pay in $ .
    For instance my mature Phrag Sorcers Apprentce(has flowered before ) cost me
    $75(+ postage).A NOID Phal costs about $17 , a named Phal costs about double that from a nursery.My Vanda Blue Magic cost $47.
    It,s certainly not a cheap obsession.
    The nursery i like to buy from(plants are in excellent condition/size has about 500 different types but not all of them are listed as they may only have 1 or 2
    which normally are for the real serios collectors.

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    The grapevine tells me that newly discovered slippers make their way immediately into Asia, Europe, and the U.S. The U.S. seems to be by far the most CITES-compliant of the bunch, but if you're a prominent orchid grower, chances are you will get an offer. Asia & Europe seem to be much more lax--delenatii x vietnamense hybrids were offered at least one year ago. The only "legal" vietnamense (the confiscated plants that were propagated and sold through Antec) just came out of flask in the last few months.

    Someone told me that most other countries don't regulate the sale of flasks. Technically, flasks of new species are still illegal unless the country of origin's government approves of it. I believe the U.S. holds to that interpretation.

    Another from the grapevine--last year, someone from South America brought a bunch of hangianum and its hybrids into an orchid society meeting in the Western U.S. None of the plants are legal in the U.S., to the best of my knowledge. People were fighting over the plants, as you might imagine. When it comes to slippers, just think "greed" and "psychosis" and you won't go wrong. Take that idiot Kovach. Naming a new slipper after himself and feigning ignorance. You might as well rob a bank and leave your card.

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