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Name That Phal

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    Question Name That Phal

    I'm VERY new growing orchids...and like many newcomers we get plants without names, not to mention misnamed items! So it's time to play, "Name That Phal." I hope someone out there can do it in one pic! The prize is a heart-felt thanks. Pic 1 is yellow with very lite lavender veins, Pic 2 is pale yellow with purple spots, Pic 3 is obvious as is Pic 4
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    I think I can only help with the first one. It looks like my Phal. Daniella Ter Loag (see my pic in this threat)...it has the same coloring and texture to it...I can't be sure, but they seem similar.

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    Hi Biker,

    Identifying hybrid Phals is practically impossible. They are so heavily hybridized and many look remarkably similar and are not. Anyone's guess is only that, and you shouldn't accept it as a proper identification. Sorry - not the answer you hoped for, but it is the way of it.

    Lovely blooms, though!

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    Thanks Piper. I can't agree with you more regarding ID. and hybrids. Even though I'm very new at this, I am rapidly becoming less interested in the actual name and more fascinated with the plant/flower. An, Cindy, thanks to you. Your pic looks almost exactly like my plant but then the point made by Piper certainly raises the question.... I was recently visiting family in Florida and stopped in at the local box store, of all places, just as a new shipment of orchids was being unloaded. They had not less that 5 individual plants all labeled Phal Leopard Prince and each one looked totally different! Anyway, thanks to both of you.

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    Just wanted to butt in on your last comment regarding the Leopard Prince phals.

    Leopard Prince is a grex name, and is given to all plants resulting from the cross of Dtps Sun Prince and Phal. Ho's French Fantasia. If the hybrid cultivar is not a named awarded one it would not be propagated by cloning. It is likely that all the plants you see were raised from seed of self crossing, rather than clones. Therefore they will not be the same at all, similar - I would imagine with tendencies to the same characteristics like colour and pattern, but by no means identical.

    I have a Miva Smartissimo, and it is very different to the two pictures I have found on the internet. I can see where the similarities are, but when I researched it before my blooms opened - I got all excited by this lovely finely spotted pattern covering the petals. It was not to be - I got some spots but in limited places. But the basic colour is the same, and the form of the plant is too from what I can gather.

    I also posted a picture recently of my Iwanagara Appleblossom, and this resulted in other people posting pictures of their's. They are all different!

    Sorry just wanted to add my opinion....
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    I suprised how on another forum the ppl accept the phal IDs! There's much more uncertainly in complex hybrids like this when compared to a primary hybrid
    I think the last one is especially pretty

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    I love love love that yellow one!! Good choices!

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    I love the sparkles on the yellow one in the first image. Nice.

    Cheers,
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    Oh yes, and I had intended to say, that if anyone did come up with some credible possibilities/ similar hybrids to the third one - the yellow and white one, I would love to know as I think it's great and it would go very well with my decor (actually that's a lie - but I would want one and therefore I would make it go with the decor).

    Although, and forgive me if I am totally wrong, it looks more like a hybrid of an alliance - the flowers seem almost vanda like to me. I have no idea if that is even possible, but it certainly looks different enough from most phals I have seen - those white lips just don't get seen very often. In fact they are all nice... where did you say you were from.... I might be investing in more than one teddy bear!

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    The third one does look a bit Vanda-like, but it's not possible. Most alliances have different chromosome counts, which is why they aren't interbred (it won't work). That's one of the distinguishing features that group genera within an alliance - the ability to interbreed.

    I'm going to invest in teddy bear stock. You go, Kerry!

    McJulie

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