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cold weather paphs

This is a discussion on cold weather paphs within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Plain green "strapleaved" *hybrids* and mottled leaved *hybrids* are more adaptable than species, and can ...

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    Plain green "strapleaved" *hybrids* and mottled leaved *hybrids* are more adaptable than species, and can often be grown together in moderate temperatures.

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    Hi, thanks. Since I am not that familiar with paphs yet, can you give me some names of species and/or hybrids that fit your description of compatible cooler growing paphs? Ed

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    the strap-leafed multiflorals (roths, philippinense, etc etc and hybrids thereof) are actually warm-growing paphs. a few are higher elevation, but most are very tropical (think borneo). they appreciate a cool snap in the winter to help them bloom, but during the growing period, they love their light and they love their heat. that's why some of the focus of multifloral paphs has shifted to taiwan--it's hard to compete with their climate in the US. they will grow with mottled-leaf paphs, but they will require much more light.

    the old-fashioned "complex" types, aka bulldogs or toads, will grow just fine alongside the mottled-leafs, except maybe a bit brighter. again, a cool snap helps them bloom.

    i find that the parvis, armeniacum etc etc., will grow in warm temps. they will just never bloom unless you provide a prolonged cold snap. the bakers suggest that armeniacum is prone to dying off under prolonged warm temps without a cool winter rest. i don't know if that's true or not--never heard of them suddenly expiring, but then again, here in the northeast our winters are cool.

    bottom line is that i don't know of any paphs offhand that will expire under warm conditions like a highland masdie. but not all of them will bloom.

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    Hi, you say that the bulldog types might grow O.K. I would love to have a Winston Churchill type!!! What do you think? Ed

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    Yes you can grow that warm. Not like vanda hot, but it can grow with the mottled leafs. It will help if you can give it a spell of 60 degree nights as the growths mature to facilitate spike setting.

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    Hi Jason, If this is really true and not just technically possible, then by golly I will look for one in the early Fall. Can you recommend a particular variety clone and perhaps a dealer? Wow! This is great news. Ed P.S. I will ask LJA if he carrys any of them. I don't think so but I will ask. Please send info.

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    I'm not intentionally lying or making stuff up. If I were, I'd advertise that.

    I don't grow spotted complex types, because I don't really like them. How's that for a paphnut? But I DO grow Salty 'Val', which is a white complex. It is a weed under my conditions. And it is hot here in the summer. And it looks like it's going to bloom in the middle of summer, without a cooling period.

    Winston Churchill is a famous paph, with two clones garnering FCC/AOS. 'Indomitable' with a spotted dorsal, and 'Redoubtable' with a brushed red dorsal. Both are expensive, ranging from a steal at 100 to overpriced at 500. I don't know any sources offhand. There are also hybrids that are similar, many of which feature WC in the parentage.

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    Jason, forgive me please! It never crossed my mind that you would intentionally tell me something that wasn't true. I would put it on my bottom Flora Cart shelf. It is a bit cooler there and in the Fall I can open the windows to get the temperature down into the upper 50's . I would do this for about 4 weeks I guess? As to the price, yes that could be a real problem. Maybe I could get a look-a-like. I must tell you that on the rare occasion ,I was able to attend a local orchid show, I saw one. It was just awesome!! At that time I never considered growing one. Ninety percent of the information I get about growing comes from what is written. Being basically homebound reading is the way is the way I get my information. The only other way is actual experience and some of that has ended in disaster. If it wasn't for folks like you I wouldn't ever consider trying. Please do accept my apology!!!!! Ed

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    no offense taken, Ed! i was just advertising that sometimes i do talk out the rear, but i will usually say so. good luck with finding one--these complex types are kind of "out of fashion" so to speak with the paph world, but like them or not, those awarded winstons really jump out at you at shows. there are many many hybrids that will look like WC, just not necessarily as imposing when it comes to flower size or form. 4 weeks of upper 50s during the fall/winter (whenever the growth is mature) will be plenty sufficient to bloom them. good luck in your search!

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    I went to the Parkside Orchidfest over the weekend and they lectured on paphs. They stated that their greenhouses never go below 58 degrees at night and that they have bloomed everything, including all the parvis and multiflorals.

    But they say that it isn't just the coolness for some of these guys - it is also combined with a drier period, as well as brighter light.

    I should be able to get close to that, as long as they don't mind travelling to my bedroom window at night.

    Edcramer, you might try

    http://www.marriottorchids.com/

    They have seedlings, as well as awarded divisions of the complex types, if you want to spend the money. If you don't, you can always note the types that appeal to you and then do a web search for the cross or the parent. But I've bought from them before and found them a pleasure to deal with.

    John

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