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    Thank you alll
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    Iím giving my 2 cents about illegal orchids. I can see the US government try to control plant with virus. Iím with this one 100%. Thatís why we need to apply for permit so they can check the plant. Itís hard for me to accept they are banning to grow particular orchid!! (how do you know if plant is beauty if you donít see it?). Who can enjoy it? Just a small group of people? Do we have to wait until we die for them to unban! Then our next generation will enjoy it Ö but why not us now? Is orchid hamming anyone if it passed inspection? The law is the law, but I have to enjoy the beauty of orchid before I die. So, just realize that I imported illegal orchid. I have permit to import orchid, but didnít leave any name on plant when it went for inspection. I simple put Phrag, phal etc orchid Ö.
    Well, as far as my green house, I put 3 wireless camera around, So donít even thing get near there hheheheehehe Ö you have to deal with my dog, alarm, and me recording you come into my greenhouse
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    I think the ID is:
    1. Paph helenae (is finally legal and new hybrids are seen in USA)
    2. Paph primulium
    3. Paph hangianum (even better than the first one in form, where is the pouch?)
    4. Paph jackii (also not allowed in USA for now...)
    5. Paph callosum
    6. Paph delenatii

    Don't worry about it spawn. I do notice there are some people have banned paphs around in USA and illegally imported plants, some of them even on forums posting their photos. How do you think Paph delenatii var. alba got into USA from Vietnam (who banned all exports). The contradictory thing is that the AOS has already awarded it and are not supposed to award suspicious plants containing even illegal pollen (at least that is my understanding).

    I feel that the way they are banning these plants is making North America very behind in paph breeding. Most North American breeders are in USA and not in Canada, and most Canadians just import flasks. That is why many of the registered new hybrids have asian or european names. The lack of hangianum is really making North American paph hybridization fall behind.

    If there is anychance I could pollenate my Paph Magic Lantern with hanginum pollen I would. Hangianum would be my first choice if I was going to pollenate it to increase size. My other thoughts would be emersonii or a back cross with delenatii, but my plant is only a single growth. I don't know how dangerous it is for the plant to be pollenated, Is pollenation a bad idea? Here she is :http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...c-lantern.html

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    Fren,
    Thank you, thank you and thank you ….
    3. Paph hangianum (even better than the first one in form, where is the pouch?)
    I was so hungry when I saw this one, I must admit I ate the pouch j/k, I just want to see how big etc so after I bought it I took it off hehehehe.
    I’m just a hobby collector (as you can see … Anything yellow/gold is good for me). I don’t know how to collect pollen, So I’m going to ask Tony Nguyen to collect it and do something with it.

    Have a great day
    Spawn
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    I find it disappointing how the US self-imposes rules on its citizens that other countries blatantly disregard. perhaps it is pressure from all these semi-crackpot and full-blown crackpot environmental groups, or just the "stupidity in charge" hypothesis, but it's not just CITES, where many of these new paphs and phrags are owned and displayed publicly in just about every country except the US. tuna regulations are a joke too, the whole of europe disregards the treaties and limits, and if I were over there I would be laughing at the US for holding its anglers to the limits so that other countries can illegally overharvest. steps off soapbox. nice paphs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmoney View Post
    I find it disappointing how the US self-imposes rules on its citizens that other countries blatantly disregard. perhaps it is pressure from all these semi-crackpot and full-blown crackpot environmental groups, or just the "stupidity in charge" hypothesis, but it's not just CITES, where many of these new paphs and phrags are owned and displayed publicly in just about every country except the US. tuna regulations are a joke too, the whole of europe disregards the treaties and limits, and if I were over there I would be laughing at the US for holding its anglers to the limits so that other countries can illegally overharvest. steps off soapbox. nice paphs
    This is known as the tragedy of the commons. It is a bad thing when all people involved in managing a shared resource are not bound by the same rules and logic. There is no advantage to standing against critically depleting resources because that just gives a larger share to your competitor. So self renewing resources are depleted beyond their capacity to maintain. Its not a good thing.

    Not to push this on anyone, but I feel that it is important where the plant comes from. One story like this is enough for me, because I would personally like to be able to see a plant like this in its habitat.

    Nema. Cir. 74 (Botany 13), DPI - FDACS

    Oh and yes, I will probably be getting one of these eventually. Maybe even planting one in the everglades somewhere.

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