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This is a discussion on I.D Please within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Hello All, Can someone I.D this one for me please.... Hoa Nguyen can you help ...

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    Hello All,
    Can someone I.D this one for me please....
    Hoa Nguyen can you help please
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    That is unusual. It looks like a phrag from the pouch, but I am not sure which one.

    Cheers,
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    omg! It's a paph hangianum, one of the recently discovered parvisepalum paphs! It's most fragrant and one of the largest paph blooms. I think this species will really be a big hit in paph hybridization. It is similar to paph emersonii but its bloom is larger and has much thicker texture.

    ...and you're teasing the paph people in USA because it is illegal there

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartie2000 View Post
    omg! It's a paph hangianum, one of the recently discovered parvisepalum paphs! It's most fragrant and one of the largest paph blooms. I think this species will really be a big hit in paph hybridization. It is similar to paph emersonii but its bloom is larger and has much thicker texture3

    ...and you're teasing the paph people in USA because it is illegal there
    I have been searching! You beat me to posting. LOL!

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    Is this one yours spawn? you are very lucky to have one, even to see one then

    Well hangianum has been a very exciting for me...so I just posted right away seeing the picture (sorry BD lol) It might even be more influential than vietnamense because of flower size. I've heard of mature plants sending huge blooms.

    I think hangianum x micranthum would make even better versions of Magic Lantern. I saw it for sale and the vendor declared them all sold out just after listing them in the catalogue. Either they really did sell that fast or he is reserving them to himself them till judging time. I thought it was pricy so it took me to long (and late) to decide whether to order.
    I think we will see hangianum awards from the AOS soon but in Canada if it remains illegal in USA.
    Maybe soon I will see my Paph moquettianum x hangianum bloom. It was growing quite fast but now it has stalled a bit. Perhaps next I'll see a sheath...

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    Hi there, aka Spawn,
    Fren is probably right. Your plant does look like paph hangianum, a new hot commodity in the orchid world. If that plant is yours, congratulations! You have a gem that not many people have in their possesion. So may I venture a question? Where do you live? And you should save the pollens of the bloom right away.
    Cheers. Hoa.

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    May I ask why it is illegal in the us, if it is apparently legal in other places (like Canada)....just curious....

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    ....the US government has a banned all newly discovered paphs in their country, including their hybrids. Still it is very strange that they would even ban a hybrid. Maybe the gov't is very confused, thinking it as a way of protecting the wild species from hobbyists.
    Also, many of these paphs are Vietnamese and I hear Vietnam banned all exporting of paphs. However that didn't stop their paphs from finding their way into Taiwan and Europe, etc.
    There are many policital issues envolved with paphs in general...all paph species are all marked as CITES appendix I plants because of Cribb's work on CITES (regardless of which species are rare or not, and not all are rare but are weedy). This makes it extremely difficult to get paph species across borders legally. Cribb had his explaination of how isolated their populations are in his book The Genus Paphiopedilum. Still there are much rarer plants in this world that need this sort of protection. Some have suggested Cribb had placed CITES to his advantage as he was a paph enthusiast himself.
    I hear that in Canada to import flasks, they don't have to be labelled so new plants are in this country, just a phytosanitary certificate (and don't ask why we would we need phyto on something sterile...lol). So we have many plants around legally that our neighbours don't. The first AOS awarded helenae was awarded in Canada, helenae was once banned in USA until recently. In anycase I don't feel that is important since we are dealing with artificially propagated plants anyway if they are in flask and therefore not endangering wild populations. USA gov't is being too strict and needs to loosen up, makes me wonder if they break into peoples greenhouses often.

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    Hm, interesting. I was thinking it would make sense to ban a plant if a) the species was endangered (so banning none flask grown plants) or b) they were worried about the plant getting into the wild and growing uncontrollably


    I hadn't considered political issues. Thanks for the info!

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    Thank you all for ID, I have 3 bloom size, I have one that’s giving me a flower now. Hoa (Tony) please email (PM) I will send you this one so you can collect pollen.

    I need more help to ID the rest, I lost my plant list … this is driving me nut… please ID as picture 1,2,3,4,5,6
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