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A cart with light fixtures?

This is a discussion on A cart with light fixtures? within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Traci, if I didn't have my HID light (which requires special considerations regarding heat build-up ...

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    Traci, if I didn't have my HID light (which requires special considerations regarding heat build-up and humidity), I'd buy this fluorescent setup in a heartbeat.

    Check it out:

    http://www.orchidsbyhausermann.com/c...r=Z-LightStand

    Pricey, yes, but good-looking and flexible. Get two!

    John

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    John, ugh. For $500 Traci and I could both fly you to our homes where you could analyze our growing areas and build each of us a light cart. That doesn't even include shipping, I'm sure. I wish we were handy!

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    Well you could, but I think the light cart would be a much better investment !

    I'm handy in the since of being able to do stuff like building a simple bench, but I don't enjoy it at ALL. And I certainly wouldn't want to have to tackle something like a double-tiered light cart, that's for sure.

    So for a one-time thing, I'd cough up the bucks for the thing, if I had a place to put it! Just think of all those happy paphs !!

    It's depressing to be out of orchid room

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    It seems to me as if HPS (cheaper than this Flour. fixture) would be a better investment. But, I suppose if you have issues w/ living space, something to consider. I think when I do this, I personally want to do it the best way I can at the outset and be done with it, not do something that I'll just want to upgrade in the future. Of course that may mean being a little patient. I'm pretty sold on the HID over flourescent debate. JMHO, of course!

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    The thing to keep in mind with the HPS systems is that each piece is expensive, the ballast, the reflector and the bulb. Not to mention that you may need to have some sort of temperature control unit to control the heat generated by the ballast, depending on which model you go with.

    That being said, I think HPS is the way to go if you can fork over the initial $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerides
    Traci, if I didn't have my HID light (which requires special considerations regarding heat build-up and humidity), I'd buy this fluorescent setup in a heartbeat.

    Check it out:

    http://www.orchidsbyhausermann.com/c...r=Z-LightStand

    Pricey, yes, but good-looking and flexible. Get two!

    John
    How much of a heat build up do you get? I always have fans running, so that helps keep my plants from overheating. Humidity-- to much or too little? Good site, thanks.

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    Fluorescent bulbs are pretty cool - they say you can actually have plants touching bulbs without harm, but I've never tried that. Most heat comes from the ballasts, and it isn't much, especially if you're not running it all in a closet or something. An average room with fans should be fine. Humidity is greatly simplified over an HID setup *because* a fluorescent setup is so much cooler - if a bit limited on the sorts of orchids you can grow. A space humidifier for home use should be sufficient for most orchids. Special care may be needed for pleurothallids and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerides
    ...they say you can actually have plants touching bulbs without harm, but I've never tried that.
    I've tried it. (I mean, it's happened.... inadvertent.) Thin leaves don't like it much but a day or two was ok. bigger oncs and catts have not minded it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerides
    Fluorescent bulbs are pretty cool - they say you can actually have plants touching bulbs without harm, but I've never tried that. Most heat comes from the ballasts, and it isn't much, especially if you're not running it all in a closet or something. An average room with fans should be fine. Humidity is greatly simplified over an HID setup *because* a fluorescent setup is so much cooler - if a bit limited on the sorts of orchids you can grow. A space humidifier for home use should be sufficient for most orchids. Special care may be needed for pleurothallids and such.
    John, when you say limited, what types do you mean that you can grow with florescents?

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    The thing is that fluorescent bulbs are comparatively low in the light they emit. You can make up for that by the number of bulbs you use (a four-bulb fixture is considered standard for a satisfactory orchid setup), and running the lights longer than average daylength - say 16 hours out of every 24.

    I think that most people are very satisfied with their performance for phals, paphs (some people - Lynn at Antec Labs, for instance -- actually prefer fluorescent bulbs to HID light for paphs) and other medium-to-low light orchids. I understand that some of the minicatt hybrids also do well under fluorescents. Often, orchid catalogs will specify plants that do well under lights - usually those of smaller stature so that the entire plant is more or less evenly lit. Fluorescent light falls off rapidly, so the taller the plant, the more starved for light the lower parts would be. The more light-loving a plant is, the closer to the center of the bulbs it should be placed, as light falls off a bit towards the ends.

    The nice thing about fluorescents is that you are not so limited where you put a nice-looking stand. Unlike HID light, it is possible to live in the same room with fluorescent fixtures. And with the wide array of medium-light plants, as well as the intermittent blooming of many of these, you can have a nice display almost any time of the year. (Actually, I don't know whether I'm talking to you at this point, or to myself. So tempted to put one of these in my livingroom !!)

    There is a huge amount of information on the internet about different fluorescent options for plants - from enclosed orchid cases, to the sort of cart I showed you, to higher-powered bi-axil (?) fluorescents, etc. But if you want to keep things fairly simpl, and can live without the really light demanding orchids, you may get great pleasure from what you can do with this sort of set-up.

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