Shop Orchid Care OrchidTalk Orchid Forum Weather Station Links Nursery

Welcome to OrchidTalk Orchid Forums


The Friendliest Orchid Community on the Internet!


  •  » Learn to Repot your Orchids
  •  » Learn Orchid Care Tips and Secrets
  •  » Find the perfect Orchid for your Growing Environment
  •  » Chat with Orchid Growing Professionals

OrchidTalk - "Bringing People Together to Grow Orchids Better!"


Let us help you grow your Orchids better; Join our community today.


YES! I want to register an account for free right now!


Register or Login now to remove this advertisement.

Results 1 to 10 of 10

Flower Production

This is a discussion on Flower Production within the General Orchid Culture forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Sunday, I attended our local orchid society meeting. Lots of beautiful plants as many of ...

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Bikerdoc5968 is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Howard
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Anything That Will Grow
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    W. Bloomfield, Michigan
    Posts
    1,261
    Member's Country Flag

    Default Flower Production

    Sunday, I attended our local orchid society meeting. Lots of beautiful plants as many of you might expect at your society meetings. The speaker, a local commercial grower in Charlotte, Michigan, gave a talk about general orchid care. She mentioned that using Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulfate) increases size, quality and quantity of flowers. I wonder if she meant Phosphate? In the same breath, she stated she uses a "bloom bososter" fertilizer every time she waters....and didn't feel the Michigan State University formulation was worth using anymore...her opinion. I know there is probably NO correct answer to this issue, but I was wondering how others felt about what they "feed" their orchids and how it seems to affect the overall health of their plants? She also mentioned another product containing vitamins (you all may know the trade name) and she absolutely swore by it as better than sliced white bread! Well, at $140.00/gal it should be!!!!! Feedback?
    Attached Images Attached Images     

  2. #2
    Brutal_Dreamer's Avatar
    Brutal_Dreamer is offline Dreaming with my eyes open...
    Real Name
    Bruce Brown
    My Grow Area
    Greenhouse
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Cattleyas & Slippers
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    34,003
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    MSU fertilizer seems to be pretty great as far as I am concerned. We also use miracle grow and fish emulsion. We simply rotate so that we feed differently every few times we water.

    Cheers,
    BD

  3. #3
    cindiras's Avatar
    cindiras is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Cindi
    My Grow Area
    Under Lights
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Catts
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Central Iowa
    Posts
    1,766
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Epsom salts are a good fertilizer for tomato plants in my garden. Probably give the same boost to orchid plants. I just wouldn't use as much of it! (Less is best)

  4. #4
    ischel1's Avatar
    ischel1 is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Mary
    My Grow Area
    Greenhouse
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Cattleya William Farrell
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Gender
    Female
    Location
    Gulf Coast
    Posts
    3,141
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Wow beautiful paphs.

  5. #5
    orchid-man's Avatar
    orchid-man is offline Not Normal
    Real Name
    Murray
    My Grow Area
    Greenhouse
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Oncidiums.Odonts and alliance
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Auckland new zealand
    Posts
    1,189
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal_Dreamer View Post
    MSU fertilizer seems to be pretty great as far as I am concerned. We also use miracle grow and fish emulsion. We simply rotate so that we feed differently every few times we water.

    Cheers,
    BD

    I to use miracle grow but find it too high in nitrogen,so here is my concoction in parts and lacking in the potash.

    3 X Valagro Plantafol 5.15.45
    1 X miracle grow
    1 X Urea
    1 X Epsom salts

    The reasoning behind this concoction is :-
    the Plantafol has good Phosphorous and Potash but is low on the Nitrogen,hence the Urea.The Epsom salts are added due to a discussion that I had with an old tomato grower.His theory was,that we were wanting the same thing as a tomato grower,but not quite as far along the same track eg Fruit ,well seed pods.To get the flower and strong growth Potassium and Magnesium should be very close to the same level.

  6. #6
    Bikerdoc5968 is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Howard
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Anything That Will Grow
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    W. Bloomfield, Michigan
    Posts
    1,261
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    So Orchid-Man, you don't put much merit to those who say urea based fertilzers don't work well with orchids because of the open style mix and therefor the lack of urea nitrogen converting bacteria????? Just a question of opinion.....

  7. #7
    Grandma M is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Marilyn
    My Grow Area
    Under Lights.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Phrag -Vanda
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    West Michigan
    Posts
    235

    Default

    What is the phrag in the top picture? It's beautiful.

    I have used MSU fert for almost 4 years and I'm very pleased with the results. I do add Epsom Salts every couple of months and also add a couple drops of K-L-N per gallon every watering. That method works well for my conditions in my home, under lights.

  8. #8
    Cjcorner's Avatar
    Cjcorner is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Connie
    My Grow Area
    Porch/Patio.
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Mini Vanda, Schombs &Encyclia.
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    West of Tampa, FL
    Posts
    9,139
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    I'm such a newbie....but mine love the fish emulsion, a bloom ratio type fertilizer and super thrive. I need to get some epsom salts too.
    connie

  9. #9
    Bikerdoc5968 is offline Senior Member
    Real Name
    Howard
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Anything That Will Grow
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    W. Bloomfield, Michigan
    Posts
    1,261
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    I'm sorry but I just too pictures and didn't attach names to the faces....next time.

  10. #10
    orchid-man's Avatar
    orchid-man is offline Not Normal
    Real Name
    Murray
    My Grow Area
    Greenhouse
    Favorite Orchid(s)
    Oncidiums.Odonts and alliance
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Auckland new zealand
    Posts
    1,189
    Member's Country Flag

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerdoc5968 View Post
    So Orchid-Man, you don't put much merit to those who say urea based fertilzers don't work well with orchids because of the open style mix and therefor the lack of urea nitrogen converting bacteria????? Just a question of opinion.....
    When feeding orchids consider how and where they grow naturally.As most grow some feet above the ground attached to a tree or the likes ,just how much fertilizer are they going to get and what is the likely NPK ratio?
    The most common fert they are going to get will be bird poop,what would its NKP rating be,what would its ph be and how strong is it?

    When you get to know commercial cut flower growers and they start to let you into their feeding schedule,thats when you start to learn.There is now not one commercial grow here in New Zealand that uses a slow release fert at any time of the year.All are now using liquid ferts and a good 90% would be using in pot watering with their fert used at every watering,which would be every 2nd day at least.Of the fert that they use they may use a commercial base(most dont)and then add what they need for the situation that they have.As most of the cut flower growers are exporting they do not use organic ferts as there is a greater chance of bringing in diseases that would prevent the export of the flowers so they use chemical based ferts and this will include Urea.
    The mix or bacteria here are not really considered,if more nitrogen is needed what are the sources and what is the cost.

Similar Threads

  1. Flower Fix
    By sadie in forum General Orchid Culture
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: November 4th, 2014, 09:30 AM
  2. My Production of Yonkers - photo heavy
    By Brutal_Dreamer in forum Eye Candy
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: April 20th, 2009, 10:53 PM
  3. When Will It Flower?
    By Jacinta in forum New Growers: Ask the Senior Members
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: December 5th, 2007, 06:02 AM
  4. My production of PROOF
    By Brutal_Dreamer in forum Eye Candy
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: April 16th, 2007, 08:02 PM
  5. Can someone tell me what this is, and why I cant get to flower?
    By Howdy in forum General Orchid Culture
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: January 19th, 2006, 01:13 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
OrchidTalk --An Orchid Growers Discussion Forum brought to you by River Valley Orchidworks. A World Community where orchid beginners and experts talk about orchids and share tips on their care, cultivation, and propagation.