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Paphiopedilum - What Species/Hybid is this?

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    Question Paphiopedilum - What Species/Hybid is this?

    I've had this Cochlopetalum for about 2 months now and it's really doing well. However, no card came with it so it's identity is uncertain to me.
    Some said it's a glaucophyllum, others a Pinnochio. But the combination of the white-rimmed dorsal and the absence of darker-pink spots on it's lip (it shines almost crystalline if the light is right) led me to believe it's a liemianum. Who can help me? Oh, the measure on left of the second pic is 30cm or about 12" tall.
    BTW: the flower on the left has fallen off by now, while the large bud has opened halfway. At that stage, they remind me of the Ur-Ru's from the movie The Dark Crystal, with its ears hanging out from under its hat.
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    The pinocchio is, if I am not mistaken, a glaucophyllum hybrid. I can't really differentiate those ones very well, but the Pinocchio is at least a hybrid that is sold quite often in big box stores around here. Definitely seen that tag before - most of the plants in big box stores around here come from big greenhouses in the Netherlands.

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    Indeed, it is. From pics I've seen, Pinoccio qualifies best for my NOID. However, Pinoccio has an almost completely green dorsal. The other have darkish spot strewn all over the lip. Perhaps it's a Pinoccio x Glaucophyllum and has inherited both traits back?
    So they come from Dutch greenhouses? I asked the seller if he knew the nursery to no avail, unfortunately.
    Danke!

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    Some times there is a website on the back of the tag, though not always...

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    It's a Pinocchio, which is glaucophyllum x primulinum. The Chochlo section of genus Paph contains very similar flowers which are often classified as overlapping species, depending on the taxonomist you listen to. But Paph Pinocchio is a widely available primary hybrid, and I believe the most commonly held Chochlo hybrid.

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    Thank you, Piper! I'll put a 'Pinoccio'-tag on it. Like you pointed out, there must be overlapping traits with this hybrid, spotted lip or not, green dorsal or white-rimmed.
    I liked this one best for its shiny, crystalline texture over the others that were there.

    @hcubed: unfortunately, it had only the most generic tag, specifying it is an 'orchid'. Duh?!

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    once upon a time Paph moquettianum was considered a variety of Paph glaucophyllum. Some of the Pinocchio around were actually bred using moquettianum and this imparted the spotting on the dorsal.

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    That's good to know, bench72. But my Pinoccio doesn't have spots on it's dorsal. I'll keep an eye out for it though!

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    i should have mentioned too that the hybrids that were made using moquettianum will likely now be called something else...

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    I haven't seen a pinocchio with petals that broad.
    very nice! Its way nicer than mine

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