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Colmanara questions

This is a discussion on Colmanara questions within the Genus Specific forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Hi Kev, I'm mostly going to address the name issue. Firstly, you're quite right that ...

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    Hi Kev,

    I'm mostly going to address the name issue. Firstly, you're quite right that Wildcat is now an Odontocidium, not a Colmanara. Comanara is a tri-generic combination of Oncidium, Odontoglossum & Miltonia (or Miltoniopsis--there is some confusion in the nomenclature of these!). At any rate, there was only one Miltonia used in the ancestry of Wildcat and it was reclassified as an Oncidium. Thus, Wildcat no longer has any Milt. ancestry. Are you still with me? LOL The genus Colmanara still exists. It's rather ironic, however, that the best known "Comanara" is no longer one!

    There are two possibilities as to why your plant is simply Wildcat, as opposed to having a clonal name such as 'Carmela', 'Bobcat', 'Leopard', 'Ocelot' or 'Blood Ruby' or several others I can't recall. Firstly, it may be a seedling. As you probably know, every time anyone crosses the same two parental grexes or species, you always call the resulting offspring the same name. The two grexes that are the parents of Odontocidium Wildcat are Odontocidium Rustic Bridge & Odontocidium Crowborough. The offspring can vary greatly. If a seedling produces exceptional flowers, it may receive a clonal name. Bobcat & Blood Ruby are really red. Most of the others have that strong red-on-yellow patterning that (presumably) gave rise to names like Leopard & Ocelot. If your seedling didn't impress anyone, it may not have received a clonal name and, as Louis has mentioned, you're free to give it one if you desire. (And if you were to enter it in an OAS judged show and it won an award, you would be *required* to give it a name.)

    The second reason why your plant is simply Wildcat is because somewhere along the line, a grower got careless and didn't bother to include it opn the tag. Someone growing for the more mass market is probably more likely to be a bit too casual about nomenclature than someone aiming more at the real orchidophile. (BTW, I will disagree a bit with the statement that places such as boxstore never carry unusual stuff. The closest boxstore to me routinely has Beallara and Odontioda and other Oncidium Intergenerics in it. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've seen a really wide variety of other things like Cattleyas & Masdevallias, too.) If this is the case, you may never know what your plant's clonal name was. You technically could give it a name in this case, too. A really knowledgeable show judge *might* recognize your Wildcat as, say, Carmela even if you'd (unknowingly) subsequently named it something else, but there are so many different Wildcats, it would be fairly unlikely.

    Well, hope this isn't WAYYYY more than what you wanted!

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    I'm glad I checked this one more time before going to bed. Thanks so much for the incredibly detailed explanation. I love that.

    My statement about places like HD only having ordinary plants seems to apply to those in Mpls. I've heard similar reports to yours about HDs in other parts of the country carrying a really wide selection. We never get anything other than what I stated - Dends and Phals. I've checked so many times I can't even count anymore. It's really rare to even find something like a Sharry Baby. Very sad.

    Now, if you would like to tackle the other question you hinted at: Miltonia vs. Miltoniopsis I would be eternally grateful. I understand both in reference to the species, but why are most hybrids called Miltoniopsis? Maybe this should be a separate thread. Anyway, thank you again.

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    Wow, what a great response Rob, that was thoroughly enjoyable... to the point where I stopped doing work stuff and kept reading...

    Thanks.
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    Thanks to Kev & Tim for their kind remarks. I sometimes worry about being long-winded and losing people as a result. One quick comment about boxstore--try & learn when they get their shipments in. I understand that many orchidophiles get to know this and snap up the "better" stuff.

    Now, as to Miltonia & Miltoniopsis, I'll be happy to try and tackle it, but I agree with Kev--it's probably better to start a new thread.

    Cheers,

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    I know I"m chiming in 3 months late here, but I've had similar issues with my wildcat. It did rebloom for me, but the bulbs are getting skinnier and skinnier and the roots were terrible when I recently checked them. Moved it from chc to semi-hydro, so hopefully that will change things - it has 3 new bulbs just starting to grow with a few roots, so I'm hoping it's ripe for semi hydro and finally I can address whatever is bothering it

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    Well i,ve just noticed a THIRD spike(from the same PB) from 1 of my Colmanara,s(Oncidium Cleos Jungle).This plant had 2 huge spikes (1 had over 50 flowers on it) & now it has a third spike growing from between the 2 outer leaves .
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    This one is also have its 3rd spike. In the past, its only 2 spikes every year, this is the first time that I see a third spike and at the same time a new growth. A good part of the spike was damaged by the storm.

    I guess its the year of multiples .
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    I've been putting many of my oncidiums and intergenerics in teak baskets w/ sphagmum moss, or shallow bulb pans w/ a mix of 1/3 med charcoal, 1/3 med bark, and 1/3 med spongerock. Pots that are too deep will stay damp too long, and rot the roots. You'll notice when you re-pot that the live healthy roots are usually at the top of the pot...

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    I live in the southern US and grow Colmanaras in a rather heavy mix in clay pots. The mix is seedling bark, sponge rock and coir and the plants are pushing the edges of their 8 " pots. Jungle Monarch 'Everglades' has 3 spikes in flower at this time. Wildcat 'Blood Ruby' (Odtna Rustic Bridge X Odcdm Crowborough) is coming into bloom (2 spikes from 1 lead and 1 from each of the other 2). Wildcat 'Doris' isn't blooming yet. They get very bright winter light and summer shade here in the hot deep south. The clay pot also helps keep the roots cool. I've had them rot in plastic even using bark.

    I don't know where you live, but I hope this helps some.
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    Thanks Gary,

    I was using clay also. I prefer it for almost everything. I did make a decision to get rid of this plant a month or so ago. I just decided its time had come.

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