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Which Milts do I buy?

This is a discussion on Which Milts do I buy? within the Genus Specific forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Originally Posted by Sue ...but I can't imagine a commercial breeder choosing that bloom as ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue
    ...but I can't imagine a commercial breeder choosing that bloom as a stud plant.
    To be honest, I can't either. I was going by the wording in the description, "The Miltoniopsis bismarckii used here is a beautiful peach pink..." so was just assuming the "used here" referred to the bloom in the pic, since I can't imagine that flower being the FCC clone either. For some reason I assumed this was a new cross, and usually they put up one parent or the other (or both) to represent it; if the flower is representative of what the new grex is supposed to look like, I'd wonder which grex it was actually taken from?

    Anyway, feh! (to use a Sue-ism!) I'd have picked a different picture to market the thing.

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    apart from the judging standard... is there also a judging by appreciation? I have heard it around the place and I think that it's used for Paph that doesn't quite conform to the bulldog look so maybe they can use that for the fourth flower... in judging by appreciation a plant not conforming to the standard may still get awarded say becoz it has good colouration, but i'm noticing it generally gets an AD (award of distinction), say becoz the colour is one not generally seen before or it was huger or more prolific or...not even worth 2c.. but hey... i don't want to work yet..

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    I think I'm going to HD and buying a bunch of NoID Phals instead.

    The strange thing is I kind of like #4 just as a flower. Forget what it is, what it's supposed to look like. As a flower - I like it.




    Now do I get banned?

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    Sue's comments about judging really struck a chord with me. It really bugs me when something that is a stunning flower is demerited (is that a word?) because its shape is non-conforming to the standard of whatever the "in" shape may be!

    Don't get me wrong--I like hybrid Phals, including the flat ones with no windowing. I have recently discovered the beauty of species Phals, however, and it bugs me that hybrids reflecting anything other than amabilis type shape are eliminated by judging standards. I look for presentation of the blooms, and cultural things that enabled the grower to show the bloom to best advantage.

    Anyway, enough about that--I can't add anything to Sue's excellent remarks. Let me comment on the Miltoniopsis! I say:
    Kev, Kev, Kev!
    WHY oh WHY limit yourself to three? OK, if you were considering among 20 plants, I'd see the point. But 4? Come on--buy them all! Actually, my favourite--and nobody else has made it their first choice!--is number 3! I'm prejudiced, though, because it's so floriferous! Hey, we wait long enough for the danged things to bloom. Might as well get a mass display when it happens!

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    P.S. "A bunch of NOID Phals instead" indeed! Yeah, right!

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    Well, that #4 cross isn't registered (which doesn't mean it's never been made before, just that it hasn't been registered) so there's no telling what those flowers are going to look like, or what grex that picture is actually of.

    Is it a picture of one of the parents, or something else, some other hybrid that uses one of the parents, or is it something else entirely, some grex completely unrelated to this parentage? Or, *is* it a picture of the actual hybrid they're producing because they're just remaking it? If that's the case though, why are they using language like "we expect a stunning hybrid," as if they don't know what the outcome is going to be?

    I know, I'm nitpicking, but If it were me, I just wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in getting flowers that looked like that picture when the plant bloomed, but hey, for the price, what the heck? Go for it and see what comes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchidzrule

    Actually, my favourite--and nobody else has made it their first choice!--is number 3! I'm prejudiced, though, because it's so floriferous! Hey, we wait long enough for the danged things to bloom. Might as well get a mass display when it happens!

    Wasn't going to say anything yet, but that's my fav too.

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    OK, once more. Miltoniopsis hybridizing is an artform. Not very many people can pick good parents. You can't just take two awarded flowers and cross them to make a great seedling. Most parents on Milts are the ugliest flowers, flowers that will not open because of the heavy substance on the lip and so on.

    Also, you can cross a red Milt with a white one and in the same batch of seedlings end up with a red, white, yellow, pink or any color combination of the above colors. Milts are definitely impossible to predict.

    So, #4 might produce some award winning flowers but be ugly as all get up and only bredders would recognize it's value.

    Also, at the former nursery I worked at, we would throw away or sell very cheap any Miltoniopsis with only one flower on a stem. If they bloom with only one flower on their second blooming then they will never have more than one flower and in the eyes of breeders and Milt sellers, it makes the plant worthless.

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    Kev, manno, I'll can ask is:
    if you knew which one you liked, then what the hell did you care what we thought?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper
    Kev, manno, I'll can ask is:
    if you knew which one you liked, then what the hell did you care what we thought?????
    Julie
    this is how kev won last months contest...he gets a good debate going, and its great!

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    In a way, I think you're right about wanting debate. I like to hear what people think about these things especially people who have more experience. I still don't totally agree with some of the things said, but at this point I also don't feel like pushing some issues. I just don't know enough yet.

    I've also always found Milt flowers very strange. I think some are just stunning and some that everyone says are stunning, I hate - I MEAN REALLY HATE!! Maybe I just wanted to find out more about accepted standards for these things. Not sure.

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