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Oncidiinae nomenclature: what happened?

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    Default Oncidiinae nomenclature: what happened?

    I was perusing sale listings and just now found that some familiar Oncidiinae intergeneric names have changed -- within the past few weeks, as far as I can tell. What I knew as a Howeara is now a Leomesezia; what I knew as Miltassia Charles M. Fitch is now Bratonia Charles M. Fitch. Can anyone give me a rundown on what's gone on? In trying to find out where Leomesezia came from, I ran across a genus Gomesa that's entirely new to me, so I'm wondering if something got split or moved to create that. I can't find much out, though, or maybe I just don't know how/where to look.

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    I have found the same things. Very aggravating. I guess messing with the whole Catt family wasn't enough.

    Miltassia to Bratonia particularly annoys me, as it seems so pointless...they still agree that it is made up of Miltonia + Brassia, they just decided to switch which half of each parent name they took?

    I'm thoroughly irritated, and if I knew where to march in protest, I'd be there .

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    Oh, and Gomesa is not new...I've seen it around for a while anyway.

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    I have no idea where that leo whatnot came from, but Kew has a very bad habit of changing the names every few years. Gomesa (or Gomeza) is an old genus, i have one called Gomeza crispa, it is a very nice one, and has small spikes with tons of blooms on them that smell citrusy! If your looking at one, dont hesitate, get it!

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    I did find that Bratonia is just a reversal of Miltassia, and I also wondered what the purpose of that could possibly be. I ran across Gomes/za looking up parentage for Leomesezia formerly Howeara, so I thought maybe it was a change due to reclassifying things. (Though now, hey, maybe I'll look into buying one!)

    The Cattleya changes -- honestly, I'm not nearly as deep in this as plenty of more serious people are, and I'll never be able to say "C. purpurata" and have that make sense to me. It's too iconic a plant! I don't have the emotional attachment to Oncidiinae I do to the Cattleya alliance, but I still want to keep up on these things so I can at least shop intelligently.

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    Interesting that this topic came up. I just received the latest edition of Orchid Digest and it is focusing on Oncidiinae. There is an article that explains the name changes and reasons behind it. I haven't read the article yet, but if you can get a copy it will probably answer a lot of your questions.

    Susan

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    What's happened is that the Oncidinae have been realigned on the basis of genetic/DNA (some say faulty) analysis. Howeara was composed of three genera- Oncidium, Leochilus and Rodriguezia. Oncidium sarcodes has (for now) been reclassified as Gomesa, hence Leomesezia. Along with Onc. sarcodes, varicosum and the entire crispum group have been moved to Gomesa. For further confusion, a large number of Odontoglossums, including crispum, have been reclassified as Oncidiums.
    As to the revision of multigeneric names, I can only conclude that the RHS has lost its mind.

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    That's wonderfully specific and useful info.

    And this:
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    As to the revision of multigeneric names, I can only conclude that the RHS has lost its mind.
    just made me snicker out loud so people in the library gave me dirty looks. Good job!

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    My OS got a pile of Intergenerics from a big Hawaii grower for our sale and we all chuckled because the invoice no longer listed genera names at all--just cultivar and clonal. Apparently no one knows what to call stuff anymore.

    I ran into the bratonia/miltassia thing on my very first search on OrchidWiz and went

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    There was a lot of taxonomic transfers in Oncidiinae, to bring species nomenclature in line with changes in "Genera Orchidacearum vol. V".
    See : here, for example. Things will become very very complicated...

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