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This is a discussion on Vandaenopsis culture? within the Genus Specific forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Originally Posted by catttan My point is, a true Vandaenopsis would be a very rare ...
Anyway, thank you for explaining the science behind this in such detail! I'm definitely going to file away the stuff you share so I can refer to it later when I'm confused about a breeding issue! You are awesome!
i've been looking at these myself. that bright red cristata lip is wonderful. there is a lot of bad press about vanda/phal hybrids out there, some nice pale orange ones that are impossible to grow correctly... i've seen people grow them like phals with no luck and people who outright kill them when grown like vandas. there is no info on this one cross though. and most online pictures do not do the plant justice, you can see the flower but little else, it seems to look more like a phal maybe. v cristata is a himalayan species, and should impart some cool tolerance to the hybrid. i got my vanda paki to flower, so i got to choose a new orchid and went with a renantanda with cristata in it instead of this... but i do owe myself a new phal too... hmmm? this might be next on the list.
Jenn; I understand what your saying and it's true, but keep in mind that some of these flowering plants only experience sex once a year if that often and blooming plants never smoke in 'bed'. Lastly by doing the cross pollination that really makes you "the matchmaker" and later maybe the 'midwife'. Two very honorable and responsible psitions......................AL
Amey I agree with Jenn that you are a great store of knownledge that in many instances would be difficult to find elsewhere. AL
I have a Vandaenopsis story and questions...
Similar to another post here, one evening I had a couple beers and sat down with my three bloomin Phalaenopsis and by morning all three were pregnant...with both of the other two participants in this ménage à trois!
Then I saw my one poor Vanda Thai Spot sitting there looking on. I felt her asking to be included. Why not? Intragenics are more accepted now than ever! None of her (his!?) pollen "took" in the Phalaenopsis mothers, but one of the three Phals became the proud father of a fat growing seed pod on Thai (I'm not sure which one is the father - I don't know the species or hybrid names of any of my Phals). I wanted to upload photos but don't have time now to reformat them to be under 700x700...later.
I have tissue culture experience and own an independent testing lab and we have a sterile hood/workstation, so I hope to germinate these little ones and flask them.
I have a few questions:
1) how long should it take for Phalaenopsis seed pods to mature?
2) how long for this Vandaenopsis seed pod to mature?
3) Are there any special techniques to give these babies a strong start in the flasking phase of their life?
Thanks OrchidTalk Forum for being here for us!
Then last week I saw the highly detailed classification scheme in The Orchids: Natural History and Classification by R. L. Dressler (1981) which shows Vanda and Phalaenopsis comprise the SARCANTHINAE Subtribe which is in the VANDEAE Tribe. The classification has changed since then, but probably they are still considered to be close cousins. The genetic analysis Halloamey gives us below confirms they are not radically different genetically.
As for how to raise them, I expect them to be individuals, some more like their mother, some more like their father and all of them just trying to find their place under the sun.