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Paph. Hsinying Vinyweb '#2' x Paph. Hilo Magic Shift '#1'

This is a discussion on Paph. Hsinying Vinyweb '#2' x Paph. Hilo Magic Shift '#1' within the Genus Specific forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; with that dorsal you know there is some charlesworthii in it's background...

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    with that dorsal you know there is some charlesworthii in it's background

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    I agree - excellent vinicolor paph. If the charlesworthii in the dorsal doesn't keep it from become too asymmetrical, and it flattens out some, it will make for a great shape. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron-NY View Post
    with that dorsal you know there is some charlesworthii in it's background
    Sorry... callosum, lawrenceanum, curtisii, barbatum, purpuratum, mastersianum, sukhakulii, acmodontum... no charlesworthii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron-NY View Post
    with that dorsal you know there is some charlesworthii in it's background
    Being new to the game I need to know where the dorsal is? And how is it to "flatten out" as Maurec indicated?

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    The images given here are really nice, indeed. These types of species should be planted in a medium like fir bark and perlite. You should keep the plant in a moderate to bright light to a partial shade. With a humidity of 70-85%; it should be grown in cool area with temperature of 78o to 59o F in summer and 64o to 40o F in winter.

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    Katherine, the dorsal sepal is the topmost, center petal, and its opposite on the bottom is called the ventral sepal. Whether the dorsal "flattens out" is a matter of genetics - and with multi-generation hybrids, it's very difficult to predict. The AOS likes the dorsal to be large, round, symmetrical, and flat, among other things. Paph. charlesworthii has been used in hybridizing to achieve just that, although a number of the Barbatum Alliance also have large dorsals. Yours just really reminded me of the shape charlesworthii has, which is why I'm surprised there is apparently none in its parentage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauraec View Post
    Katherine, the dorsal sepal is the topmost, center petal, and its opposite on the bottom is called the ventral sepal. Whether the dorsal "flattens out" is a matter of genetics - and with multi-generation hybrids, it's very difficult to predict. The AOS likes the dorsal to be large, round, symmetrical, and flat, among other things. Paph. charlesworthii has been used in hybridizing to achieve just that, although a number of the Barbatum Alliance also have large dorsals. Yours just really reminded me of the shape charlesworthii has, which is why I'm surprised there is apparently none in its parentage.
    Several days since the post and it has yet to ' flatten out".
    Thank you for your information, orchids are a complicated subject!

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    A real deep beauty Katherine. Eircsmith's cultural information sounds like your in the near perfect climate for this Paphiopedilium. You have a nice collection going there Katherine. AL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine View Post
    Several days since the post and it has yet to ' flatten out".
    Thank you for your information, orchids are a complicated subject!
    Katherine - paphs are notorious for being reluctant openers, although, once open, they make up for all that waiting by lasting up to 10 weeks. If it hasn't flattened a bit more in another week, you can pretty safely assume that the shape is genetic - flat dorsals aren't really useful to Paphs in the wild, since the dorsal keeps rain and other stuff from going down into the pouch (very crude explanation - Amey would be much better at this), so the dorsal actually serves as an umbrella of sorts - but that doesn't stop breeders from trying to hybridize "out" the tendency to curve inward. On the other hand, I'm just thinking, there are plenty of species paphs with dorsals that reflex (curve) back - look at P. spicerianum, for instance. The flatness thing is one of those things that judges seem to come up with as the ideal from time to time. The same rules pretty much go for Phals and Catts, among other orchids.

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    Oh - I just found the vinicolor that I had last summer - I thought it was similar to yours - take a look: http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...paph-open.html

    This one came within a whisper of being awarded at one of the AOS judging sessions - the parentage both of these have is very successful.

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