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To buy, or not to buy...

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    Ok, It's been 7 months since my last purchase (sounds like the start of an Orchids Anonymous meeting...) Actually, I'm in denial...I did buy that cute little phal in Dec.

    So, the NH Orchid show is only 17 days off (who's counting) and I'm making a bit of space for a couple of new acquisitions.

    My angst is whether or not to buy a paph I've just found. Or, should I wait and see if I can do better at the show. The paph is a Rothschildianum cross of 'Charles E' and 'Borneo'. Both FCC parents. It's not cheap, but I could swing it. What's attractive is that it's a multi-growth division (blooming size) and I wouldn't have to wait a gazillion years for it to perform.

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    Hi Julie,

    If it was me, I would buy it. However, I would consider the price as well. So may the inquiring minds ask how much it would set you back? And since it is a previously bloomed plant, is there any way you could inquire about the quality of the flowers (like picture, etc...)? I got 4 rothchilds, one is a 3 growth plant, one is a very big BLS plant (>24 in. leaves) and 2 NBS seedlings. It is the king of all the paphs! Worth it!

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    Ok, I've done more homework...

    I've found many of Jason's previous posts on this subject. (Alas! They didn't come up on an RVO search, BD, but I found them through Google...or Dogpile, in my case.)

    I get that the the 'Rex' x 'MM' cross is the one to own. And I found some itsy bitsy seedlings - I mean really itsy bitsy - for $300. This multi-growth division is $175, with leaves of about 18".

    That didn't seem so much, since so many seedlings of non-awarded crosses sell for $50-80 easily. Besides, I'm not looking to show my plants. Just to view and drool over them.

    This seemed a not-too-expensive, instant gratification way (ie, my way) to have a Roth experience. (Tim, feel free to invite friends and bring the cocktails!)

    Julie

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    So you will have to spend $175 for a multigrowth division. Personally I think that is acceptable. But watch out for the stage of the growth. For example, if it has a previously bloomed growth and two new starts, then it could take at least 2 years before it will bloom again. But if it has a mature growth not yet bloom, you are in for a real treat soon. Then by all means, plunk down the dough and take the baby home! Leaf span of 18 in is quite OK, maybe it will bloom in one year. I have seen the leaf span reaches 2 feet before they bloom.
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    He said the leaves were 18", and I asked if that meant a 3' leaf span and he said yes. I will double check that, as well as the maturity of the growths. I'll also ask for a photo - great idea!

    Once a Roth blooms, does it necessarily bloom every subsequent year? Does new growth develop to blooming size in a year, or does it take several to do so, such that only a big, mature plant produces blooms each year, but a smaller plant might take two to three?

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    I would buy, take it to the show, and see if maybe you could trade, if you find something better.

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    After the first bloom, it is not necessary the plant will bloom again next year. It appears to me that it would take 2 years for the new growths to mature after the first blooming, expecially for these giant rothchild paphs! Although I have seen certain roth growths will mature in 1 year but these roths are smaller stature plants! And as such, the blooms are not as SPECTAKULAR! We all know these guys are slow growers. But as the plant builds up its momentum, they could bloom every year as it reaches specimen size. (Many growers told this!).
    Cheers. Hoa.

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    umm... I'd probably ask for that photo of the plant and if possible the flower...

    I believe both of the above are jungle collected plants and so this would be the first generation crossing... so I'm not sure about the vigour generally spoken of in hybrids especially...

    also, the above will probably explain why some of the newer seedlings are not as cheap... ie, they are 2nd, third generation crossings using the most vigorous plants, so they will hopefully grow and flower faster than the older crossing...

    the other thing to consider is that the awards given to the above parents were way back when rothies were the hype and getting all the awards, so the latest breeding may in fact be comparable to them, though not necessarily a step up so will not get an award.

    after saying all that, and I'm not sure if it even made any sense... a multi growth division of a Roth at that price is probably good value as long as it ain't a dog...

    oh and when it flowers you want at least 4 flowers on a spike

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    oh... and who said Tim-o wasn't a demanding fellow...

    Thanks!

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    Charles E x Borneo was once the standard for roths; it has been far surpassed with the Rex x MM and Val x MM lineages. 175 for a multi growth division, if really mature at 3' leafspan, is still not that cheap in my book, especially since it sounds like a previously bloomed (and therefore "screened" plant). there really aren't any bad roths but it probably won't be a great one. but then again instant gratification is up to the one with the checkbook, and I personally tend to look for deals since I'm always bordering on "broke". I got a 20" leafspan Rex x MM seeding for 90ish, that's a deal for me. I may have some suggestions on sources, but that would have to be via PM or email.

    roth growths usually take at least 2 years to mature. large plants will break off growths each year and therefore should bloom annually.

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