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    Hi guys

    My sister was given over 10 Orchids a while ago and only three have survived. She has 2 at work which she is giving me tomorrow to try and rescue but gave me this Den. Burana yesterday to try and save before it ends up like the others...dead.
    I watered the den , got an orchid pot, and placed on pebble tray...but have not repotted yet as I do not want to stress it out further until I got advice from you guys on what to do next.
    It looks promising as it has grown a keiki but the canes are soft and squishy and feel hollow...I did remove one that was completely black. Please help me...what do I do next. Some of the roots still look white but I haven't taken it out and looked at them completely yet. Thanks for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digimom View Post
    It looks promising as it has grown a keiki but the canes are soft and squishy and feel hollow...
    Lisa,
    Some Dens throw out keikis when they are not doing well, nature's way of having the plant survive no matter what, so the keiki is not necessarily a good sign.
    I am no expert, but if it were my plant, I would check out the roots even though Dens hate to have their roots messed with, and repot in clean mix with lava rock or any fast drying medium. There is something wrong with your plant and it could have something to do with a mix that has gone bad or that stays wet too long.
    Good luck, Dendrobiums are very resilient!

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    I don't think my sister knew how to feed/fertilize properly and who knows how long the poor orchids went without. At what point would I try to remove the keiki?? Would I wait until the roots are longer before attempting that? and what is the correct way to do that? and them repot in small a pot as possible right?? then how do i care for such a tiny plant?
    Until then I will repot tomorrow in a fast drying medium..any other advice from any one??
    thank you for your help Lambert

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    Hi. If the roots are toast on this one, I would cut the cane with the keiki off about two inches below the keiki. Put root hormone on the end with the cut to seal it off, and pot up the little guy in a smaller pot using the old cane as a base for stability.

    IF however, the roots are still ok. Let the keiki stay on there until it develops more, and longer roots. It will have a better chance for survival.

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    I agree with BD - it'll have a better chance if you cut off part of the larger cane and use that as support. I've done this myself, and the keiki's take to it better.

    Whoever had this dend really probably just watered it like a regular houseplant, but didn't give it what it needed, which is light and humidity. The canes are rotted through, since you mentioned they are brown and soft. I would place my bets on the keiki as being the best mode of survival - the mother plant, if it does revive, would take years.

    Good luck! Nothing like a good orchid challenge

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    I agree with Becky and BD. The yellow indicates that the canes are gone. I would cut just like suggested. One other note is that Dens like to be pot bound. Use the smallest pot possible and pack the medium real tight.
    Good luck.

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    It might be me, but it looks like the cane the keiki is on is gone too, if it is soft (squishy) cut above that part, so rot does not invade the keiki it is your best chance of saving the plant . Gin

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    Brown/golden colors that feel hollow or mushy on hard cane dendrobiums means that the canes are fading or rotting.
    I would cut the stem holding the keiki just below the second node and treat the keiki as a seedling until it is strong enough.

    Notice the significant color difference between the green top segment and the brown segment below it.
    The plant is trying to seal off that segment to save the top two nodes and buy the keiki some time. The bottom segments of the plant cannot help it anymore and is a liability to the chances of the keiki's survival.

    Now, going back to what may have caused this in the first place:
    The plant appears overpotted for its type of container. Plastic pots retain water for a long time, and dendrobiums prefer a quick drench and then dry out.

    Large plastic pots in relation to plant size + dendrobiums = trouble.
    No matter how seldom you water, that one time you water will result in the potting mix staying wet for too long.
    Next time, use a smaller plastic pot, or use a more open container like a basket or clay pot with side holes.

    You mentioned that the plants were at her work. Is it an office setting?
    Dendrobiums require very bright light in order to grow. Dim lights such as office lighting barely meets their minimum requirements and this results in the roots not pulling as much water from the potting mix.
    Low light + dendrobium = minimal photosynthesis = roots taking up too little water = potting mix stays wet for too long.
    Thus,
    Dendrobium + large plastic pot + too little light = dead sooner than later.

    The plant was already in bad shape when you got it, so the only thing you could do is to try to save the remaining healthy part which is the keiki.

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    Checked out the roots today before I got on and read the thread. The roots all looked good and they filled up the whole pot...so i repotted the mother plant in a clay pot...but now that I have read the thread it seems the keiki is the only hope of saving this Den.

    The cane that the keiki is on is soft at the bottom so it is probably on it's way out. The other two are soft and feel hollow.

    John this Den was at her house (two more orchids coming from her work for me to rescue ) I just think she watered it like a house plant and didn't let it dry out between waterings is my guess.

    SO I will cut below the 2nd node like suggested, what rooting hormorne do you suggest to put on it to seal the cut? Secondly... I know I am going to sound stupid...but how do you treat a seedling?? I've never had one before...and I'd really like to try and save this little guy? Thank you guys for all of your help...I would be lost with you all!!

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    SO I will cut below the 2nd node like suggested, what rooting hormorne do you suggest to put on it to seal the cut? Secondly... I know I am going to sound stupid...but how do you treat a seedling?? I've never had one before...and I'd really like to try and save this little guy? Thank you guys for all of your help...I would be lost with you all!!

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