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    I am using the basic NAA formula that is usually found in the farm suppliers. Anyways
    I have also tried Hormex and for me at least they had the same effect.

    I always try to add a small amount of my rooting hormone, a few drops to half a cap,
    every time i fertilize my plants with fish emulsion, which I have been failing to do for a
    few months due to work.

    Jojo
    I have seen Superthrive in the new mall here in Pampanga. I didnt buy it because I still
    have a big bottle of NAA. Might give it a try since your having good success with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delphiguy View Post
    I am using the basic NAA formula that is usually found in the farm suppliers. Anyways
    I have also tried Hormex and for me at least they had the same effect.

    I always try to add a small amount of my rooting hormone, a few drops to half a cap,
    every time i fertilize my plants with fish emulsion, which I have been failing to do for a
    few months due to work.

    Jojo
    I have seen Superthrive in the new mall here in Pampanga. I didnt buy it because I still
    have a big bottle of NAA. Might give it a try since your having good success with it.
    I have a bottle of the local version of NAA. Tried it too but didn't seem to have any effect that much.

    I've used hormex many times before but after using Superthrive I was really amazed at the fantastic response. My plants appear to respond better with the Superthrive than just the plain old hormex.

    Hmmm .... could it be that the plants have gotten so used to hormex and have become so "tired" with it? LOL!

    Randy, what size Superthrive are they selling in that new mall in Pampanga? The one I got from the local sunday vendor here is just the smallest 60ml bottle. I understand that there are larger bottles available.

    Perhaps I could ask you later (as a favor) to buy me a bottle if it is a larger bottle. Of course, I'd need to know what sizes are available and how much.

    I've also tried some of the local seaweed extract since I read somewhere here in the forums about some seaweed extract+fertilizer etc. experiment which had good results. I tried it once but it didn't seem to make any difference so I discontinued it.

    I think the imported hormex and superthrive appear to much better than our local version if NAA 'coz the imported products are proportioned mixes of different plant growth regulators .... unlike the local NAA, INAA and IBA I see being sold in our local gardens because these appear to be pure products and just one kind of plant hormone (not a balanced mix).

    Here are photos of some plants I have that have responded extremely well with my application of Superthrive. Please take note that this has happened in a span of almost a week.

    These are roots from my Semi-terete vanda Rev. Masao which has now been growing vigorously into the adjacent dendrobium wire basket.

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    Vigorous root and plant growth on one of my dendrobes mounted on a tree-fern slab.
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    These are new, healthy active roots growing from my Vanda Rev. Masao. Before the root growth, my plant was getting very leggy and leaves were falling off. I thought that my plant was slowly dying. Now the leaves stopped falling off and the lower, leggy stem has sprouted a lot of active, healthy growing roots.
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    This is the tremendous root growth from one of my mature dendrobium planted in a clay pot. Fantastic growth response!
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    Another dendrobium planted in a clay pot responding very well to the Superthrive treatment. (You can actually see some of the original, old roots that wasn't responding at all before the treatment. Now I am so happy with the deluge of new root and plant growth)
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    wow jojo those roots are awesome. makes me drool just looking at those roots.
    I will have to check that store again to see if the superthrive is still available.

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    What's in it discussions about SuperThrive, K-L-N and Hormex have been on this board time and again. Some say this works better, while others adhere to some other product. SuperThrive contains .09% Vitamin B1, .048% 1-Napthyl acetic acid with a total of dissolved solids of approximately 25%, which, according to some labeling, may include some 50 compounds of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen normally produced by plants under ideal conditions and time. Dyna-Gro K-L-N It contains 0.06%
    Indole-3-Butyric Acid, 0.11% 1-Napthaleneacetic Acid and 0.03% Vitamin B-1 in a water soluble form, plus just the right amount of essential minerals. No where on either label do they say what the "dissolved" solids are or "secret" ingredients contain! Hormex is very similar to K-L-N but has more "bang for your buck", i.e., the concentrations of the three main ingredients are larger. Now lets throw in another approach. There is a product called "Essential Plus 1-0-1 made by Growth Products (GrowthProducts.com) that contains NONE of the afore mentioned chemicals. Its composition contains L-Amino acids, Humic Acid, Gibberellic Acid and B-complex vitamins.


    According to the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides. The sale of Superthrive is prohibited in Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Oregon as an unregistered pesticide.

    Why one product would work better than another is anyone's guess. Bottom line good growing habits and good plants probably don't need all of these additives, yet many of us, including yours truly, use them!

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    I use Superthrive at 1/4 teaspoon per gallon once a week during during the spring growing season. During the winter when active root growth is slowed down or ceased, I don't us any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerdoc5968 View Post
    What's in it discussions about SuperThrive, K-L-N and Hormex have been on this board time and again. Some say this works better, while others adhere to some other product. SuperThrive contains .09% Vitamin B1, .048% 1-Napthyl acetic acid with a total of dissolved solids of approximately 25%, which, according to some labeling, may include some 50 compounds of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen normally produced by plants under ideal conditions and time. Dyna-Gro K-L-N It contains 0.06%
    Indole-3-Butyric Acid, 0.11% 1-Napthaleneacetic Acid and 0.03% Vitamin B-1 in a water soluble form, plus just the right amount of essential minerals. No where on either label do they say what the "dissolved" solids are or "secret" ingredients contain! Hormex is very similar to K-L-N but has more "bang for your buck", i.e., the concentrations of the three main ingredients are larger. Now lets throw in another approach. There is a product called "Essential Plus 1-0-1 made by Growth Products (GrowthProducts.com) that contains NONE of the afore mentioned chemicals. Its composition contains L-Amino acids, Humic Acid, Gibberellic Acid and B-complex vitamins.


    According to the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides. The sale of Superthrive is prohibited in Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Oregon as an unregistered pesticide.

    Why one product would work better than another is anyone's guess. Bottom line good growing habits and good plants probably don't need all of these additives, yet many of us, including yours truly, use them!
    Thanks for the advice. Only one problem though is if Essential Plus 1-0-1 is available locally in the Philippines. If Superthrive itself is so scarce and hard to find, much more for this Essential Plus 1-0-1 thingy.

    Hormex is available in almost every big supermarket in Manila in the gardening section altho I've gotten tired of it since it doesn't seem to give me the same results as I've recently experienced with the use of Superthrive (altho Essential Plus 1-0-1 sounds interesting and worth giving a try).

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    This raises the question of "timing." Could it be just timing that your plants have started to grow just when you changed the game plan? Just a thought. I guess you could do your own little experiment by selecting one of your plants that is responding in a positive manner and change back to Hormex to see what would happen, if anything.

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    Here in Manila, some local native growers water their orchids by soaking the pot in a pail of water where 1 tbsp of brown sugar and a bottle of local San Miguel Pale Pilsen beer has been added. They say that the sugar, the vitamin B complex including the presence of the fermented malt and yeast in the beer aid in the development and promotion of root growth.

    I tried this only once many years ago and I observed that it does seem to work a bit but I have not used this method again because i had problems with ants (maybe because of the sugar) and cockroaches (because of the beer).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerdoc5968 View Post
    This raises the question of "timing." Could it be just timing that your plants have started to grow just when you changed the game plan? Just a thought. I guess you could do your own little experiment by selecting one of your plants that is responding in a positive manner and change back to Hormex to see what would happen, if anything.
    Could be but I don't think so because there has been no change in the weather (humidity and/or temperature) up to now. Besides my watering practice has been consistent since the beginning - watering heavily very early in the morning before I leave for work.

    I'll pursue the experiment you're suggesting some other time when I get plenty of free time off from work. For now, I'm just happy that a lot of new roots have sprouted and new fat, plant leads are forming real well.

    With apologies to BD and this forum - I found this thread on another orchid forum outside of RVO and decided to quote it here since it had very nice advice and ideas regarding auxins or plant hormones.



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    "Indole butyric acid (IBA) and naphthalene acetic acid (NAA) are synthetic root stimulants. One of them is particularly well-suited to initiating new root growth (NAA, if I recall correctly), while the other promotes continued growth of existing roots. Vitamin B1 (thiamine) is also a known root-growth stimulant. They are not fertilizers.

    K-L-N contains both hormones (about 0.1% each) and B1 (0.025%). SuperThrive - among a concoction of other things like kelp extracts, humic acid, etc. - contains B1 (0.09%) and NAA (0.04%).

    The hormones are powerful chemicals, which is why they are typically in concentrations below 0.1% in the bottle, and are recommended at a drop or two per gallon in application (0.000002%).

    They also tend to work by "instantaneous exposure". Think of a light switch - once you apply the energy and flip the lever up, continuing to push on it does not make the light glow brighter. Once the cells get "turned on", adding more hormone does not accelerate them (it might turn on more cells, though, if you didn't get a good treatment the first time).

    I have first-hand experience that applying them too heavily can have negative effects: Many years ago, I developed my own formulation that testing showed was superior to both K-L-N and ST. As a further experiment, I started increasing the dosage. After an extended period of the equivalent to 1 teaspoon per gallon, all of my phalaenopsis flowers were deformed as they came into bloom. It was, fortunately, reversible.

    I have heard from another grower that plant growth was stunted with such a large exposure as well, but I do not recall seeing that.

    Another thing to keep in mind about the hormones: they are very unstable, degrading very quickly upon exposure to sunlight and heat. If you keep a bottle at household temperatures, they will be relatively ineffective in a matter of a few months. A refrigerator can extend the life to a year or so.

    My personal "take" on their use is that if your orchid culture is good, using them doesn't add a great deal. If, on the other hand, your culture is lacking and the root systems are suffering, they can be beneficial.
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    I use Superthrive on all my orchids once a month, in addition to fertilizing every other week in the growing season. I believe it does promote root growth. I soak my Vandas in a diluted mixture and the young roots take off. If I get a plant that is starting to look weak, it gets Superthrive once a week and it really helps.
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    I can't attest to anything except to say that I just bought some too. I have a phal that I bought[ 2.00]at the store where I work in the floral dept. It had been there when I was hired and it was sick. I have been nursing it and it has been slowly deteriorating. Last week I repotted it properly and waterred it with h2o and a couple drops of superthrive. I checked it today and there are 2 bumps on it that will be roots in no time. Yipee! Superthrive or no...I am happy !!!!

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