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First time Paph repot

This is a discussion on First time Paph repot within the New Growers: Ask the Senior Members forums, part of the New Growers category; This spring I acquired 5 new paphs from a local retailer (not a grower) and ...

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    Default First time Paph repot

    This spring I acquired 5 new paphs from a local retailer (not a grower) and they were all in sphagnum moss and the moss looks tired and really broken down. I know I need to repot them and have been waiting until it is cooler like the Koopowitz book recommends.

    I am nervous about what kind of mix I should use and what type of pot. I read bulb pans are best for paphs.

    Also, if I bleach the old pots can they be reused without fear of spreading or causing disease?

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    I went to our local orchid nursery and bought their paph mix and added a bit of sphag to it.

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    I buy a mix from a company on line that I have had great success with. It is a mix formulated just for paphs and pfrags. I avoid using moss with all my orchids. I just don't like having media mixed that has a wide range of water retention. As far as the pots I reuse my old pots for other types of plants. I always use new pots/containers for my orchids. Good luck and keep us updated.

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    The idea of waiting for cooler weather to repot might be fine for Paphs that are being repotted on a schedule, as all Paphs should be repotted at least once a year. But if your Paphs are in "sphagnum moss and the moss looks tired and really broken down" they have probably already started losing roots, and could be in real trouble. The fastest way to kill a Paph, short of 20 minutes in a microwave oven, is to keep them in wet or broken down media. In fact, most Paphs are just fine being repotted at any time as long as they aren't in winter rest or under stress. But if there is ever any question about the health of the roots or if the media has gone bad the time to repot is yesterday. Do not wait.

    Any mix intended for Paphs is good, but almost any general purpose mix is probably just about as good. When a Paph is in media that has gone bad almost anything is a huge improvement, so whatever you can get immediately is the right thing, and get them repotted. If you decide it isn't the right mix for your long term use you can repot again in a few months. Paphs like to be repotted often, and always at least once a year.

    I don't know where you saw bulb pans recommended for Paphs, but I would recommend exactly the opposite except for a few species that tend to spread by long stolons. Bulb pans are too likely to stay wet in the middle. Relatively tall pots just big enough to allow for one year of growth is a better idea. Unless you have very large species or hybrids, or plants with more than a few growths, a 4" pot is about as large as you should go. Too small is better than too big.

    Whatever you choose for a pot or media, stop worrying about it. Most Paphs aren't all that picky except about being too wet or in old media, but whatever you choose make sure you match your watering to the media and pot. Anything that gives you even moisture without staying too wet will work.

    You can bleach (a long soak) old plastic pots after they are completely cleaned of all old media, just rinse them well before use. Do not bleach clay pots and use them again. You just can't be sure about rinsing them well enough. Bleach breaks down to salt eventually, and neither is any good for plants.

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    Thanks, that eases my nerves a bit. I am out of medium fir bark, would seedling fir bark work or can they wait 2 more weeks to get repotted in a medium fir bark mixture?

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    I agree. Repot as needed, no matter the timing. The longer you leave the plant in horrible conditions, the further the damage will be caused. IMHO, taller (deeper) pots are better than too shallow ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jensoca View Post
    Thanks, that eases my nerves a bit. I am out of medium fir bark, would seedling fir bark work or can they wait 2 more weeks to get repotted in a medium fir bark mixture?
    Seedling fir bark is fine, and decide in spring if you want to make a change. Don't wait. Shreaded newspaper would be better than leaving them in rotting moss. You will probably find that you don't need to water as often in finer media, so be careful with watering until you know.

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    I found some phal mix (med fir bark, charcoal, perlite) is it ok to mix that with the seedling bark? I only have a small amount of it and I thought it couldn't hurt but I don't know if the perlite and charcoal are ok for paphs.

    I have always liked paphs the best and I am just now getting into them seriously and starting to focus my collecting/growing on them, really concentrating on the parvisepalum species and hybrids. I just love the way the flowers look!

    I am going to repot a Paph. primulinum, Paph. Armeni White, Paph. Ho Chi Minh, and a Paph. niveum. If anybody has any tips or tricks please let me know. I really appreciate all the help so far. : )

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    The Phal mix is just fine for Paphs, alone or mixed with seedling bark in any proportion. No special tricks really, pretty much the same as any other orchid. Any old medium that sticks to the roots just leave it there. I like to get the new mix wet a day or 2 before using it, like it had just been watered, then let it drain and begin to dry for a day before using it. You don't want it soaking wet, but moist enough to be soft and gentle on the roots Then keep the plants a little on the dry side for a couple weeks after repotting before I resume normal watering.

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    UPDATE: I repotted today with great success. I had little root loss due to rot, which I was surprised by. All but one the moss was actually ok but the one was really bad and it was the one with the most root loss but it also had the most roots. I am pleased with the results and I will keep updating. Thanks for all of the advice, it is greatly appreciated!

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    A quick question, is there a way to get my Paph. spicerianum to send off new roots besides denying it water? I got a seedling at a society meeting and it only has one root. I desperately want it to survive.

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