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This is a discussion on Encyclia cochleata within the New Growers: Ask the Senior Members forums, part of the New Growers category; I had the same problem with the roots dying when they hit the mount. I ...

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    I had the same problem with the roots dying when they hit the mount. I am using grapewood and I also assumed that it was something with the wood (sap, salts, etc.) It turned out that it was the water also. I am using rain water. When fertilizer is added the roots die back. I'm using plain rain water now and their doing great.

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    I believe that I would try using rain water...I dip my mounts for a few seconds, & then let them drip-dry. The only other thing I can think of is too strong of fertilizer. That would make the root tips go brown. Rain water makes carbolic acid when it goes thru the air, and this is a light fertilizer for the plant. Just my thoughts on this subject...Betty

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    Quote Originally Posted by espranch View Post
    I believe that I would try using rain water...I dip my mounts for a few seconds, & then let them drip-dry. The only other thing I can think of is too strong of fertilizer. That would make the root tips go brown. Rain water makes carbolic acid when it goes thru the air, and this is a light fertilizer for the plant. Just my thoughts on this subject...Betty
    Either that, or put a pile of water in a bucket and leave it for a few days, so any salts and chlorine/fluoride in the water disperses....thats what i do, and it tastes better too!

    And yea, i agree with the fert idea Betty, perhaps you could try using a truncheon to test the parts per millionof your fert. It should be sitting around 200-300ppm (from memory...) whereas general garden fert made to the recommended dose is more like 1200ppm (or something.....) Try using half or even 1/4 the recommended dosage on the bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by espranch View Post
    Rain water makes carbolic acid when it goes thru the air, and this is a light fertilizer for the plant. Just my thoughts on this subject...Betty
    Sorry, but as a professional chemist who also happens to have a horticulture degree, I have to take exception to that statement. Carbolic acid is another name for phenol, and does not occur in clean rainwater. Even if rainwater did have carbolic acid from exposure to air pollution, it has no fertilizer value.

    Carbonic acid does occur in rainwater in a small amounts because it is always formed whenever water is exposed to air and absorbs carbon dioxide, but it also has no fertilizer value whatsoever.

    Rainwater from a storm with lightening can contain a trace of nitric oxide which on further exposure to water and oxygen or biological process is converted to nitrate, which does have fertlizer value. Rainwater exposed to certain air pollutants can also have fertilizer value, but has more negative than positive effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaphMadMan View Post
    Sorry, but as a professional chemist who also happens to have a horticulture degree, I have to take exception to that statement. Carbolic acid is another name for phenol, and does not occur in clean rainwater. Even if rainwater did have carbolic acid from exposure to air pollution, it has no fertilizer value.

    Carbonic acid does occur in rainwater in a small amounts because it is always formed whenever water is exposed to air and absorbs carbon dioxide, but it also has no fertilizer value whatsoever.

    Rainwater from a storm with lightening can contain a trace of nitric oxide which on further exposure to water and oxygen or biological process is converted to nitrate, which does have fertlizer value. Rainwater exposed to certain air pollutants can also have fertilizer value, but has more negative than positive effects.
    So its a good idea to put a bucket out in a lightening storm ae? LOL
    That would be an interesting science fair project actually: Rainwater exposed to polluted air (i know where i can get some of that) vs Rainwater containing Carbonic Acid vs lightening water

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    My immediate thoughts exactly - along with wondering if there is any such thing as "clean" rainwater - perhaps the rain is of a superior quality in Wisconsin? In any event, what's a non-chemist to do? Water from the municipal supply, whatever quality that may be, collect rainwater at certain times and under certain conditions only? (In Atlanta, that would lead to a lot of parched orchids.) Truly a conundrum - especially since I find it reason to congratulate myself when I manage to water my orchids on the recommended schedule, never mind Ben Franklin-type water-collecting experiments! All preceding written with a good dose of good humor and only a small amount of seriousness mixed in.

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    I thought that it might be the fertilizer as well but after using only reg water and still getting the same results, I am at a loss.

    I haven't and wouldn't be that successful in collecting rain water here lately. Ga has been going through a drought this year with only a handful of days that it actually rained at my house. I would never water this plant or any plants if I only used rain water.

    That being said I will try the set it in a bucket method to see if that helps.

    Thanks for the advice and helpful banter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jensoca View Post
    I thought that it might be the fertilizer as well but after using only reg water and still getting the same results, I am at a loss.

    I haven't and wouldn't be that successful in collecting rain water here lately. Ga has been going through a drought this year with only a handful of days that it actually rained at my house. I would never water this plant or any plants if I only used rain water.

    That being said I will try the set it in a bucket method to see if that helps.

    Thanks for the advice and helpful banter!
    This may be tedious, but how about a dew-net? there are some great designs on the net for a DIY net, and they work for me when we have big droghts here..longest was just over 4 months long :0 WOWZA it was hot....and dry

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    Now that is an idea! I will look into it, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jensoca View Post
    Now that is an idea! I will look into it, thanks!
    Be warned-they are hard work. Use a width of frost cloth or some other fine material and stretch it between two poles about 5-10m apart. We use a drip tray to catch the dew drops during the night, and then in the morning we wring it out, taking care not to drip any water. The dew is very pure, and even tastes great!
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