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Cattleya Alliance Nomenclature

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    Hi group, I hope this is not a stupid question or a matter of the obvious. What constitutes a primary hybrid? I have many species of the Cattleya alliance and crosses with species but I am confused

    As an example, I have:
    Cattleya Labiata v rubra Schiller x C Labiata. Primary Hybrid or still a species?
    BC Maikai Lea x C Skinneri "Carpinteria". This is a hybrid crossed to a species. Does it make it a regular hybrid or a Primary hybrid?
    LC Gold Digger. This is an oldie but not sure how it is classified. Laelia x Cattleya? Is it a first, second or third generation cross?
    C Astraea "Ginny". I'm not sure if this is a species. It says "Cattleya" but is it a pure cattleya or cattleya crossed to another species? Is it 2 species crossed with each other?

    I love the floriferousness of the multiflorals although they are not as large as the classic modern hybrids. I asked this because they are in bloom now and I'm interested on how to classify them
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    Hi! Those are some lovely catts you have! and no, those are not stupid questions, as there are no such thing...
    A primary hybrid is when a species and a species are crossed to make a primary hybrid.
    A Hybrid is when a hybrid or primary hybrid is crossed with a specie, hybrid, or a primary hybrid.
    Also, if the orchid is a species, then the name would be lower cased, (example: C. skinneri) the name is lower-cased, if the plant is a hybrid of any kind, (hybrid primary hybrid etc.) it is capitalized. Example: Lc. Gold Digger)
    In this case, all the catts you have a hybrids, you have some were it is a hybrid x a Species, but the hybrid x species is still a hybrid. (because it's just adding a parent). I hope this helps and lovely cattleyas you have!
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    THANK YOU!! I think I am going to have to take some time think about this Alex

    If 2 Skinneri are crossed is it still a species?

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    yes you're right! I think you got the hang of it.
    Happy growing!
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    Oh, and forgot to tell you something, no to be a picky namer, but skinneri is LOWER CASE!
    The first catt you have is a species! sorry didn't look close enough.
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    GOT IT!! I'm good at growing them but trying to get back to basics

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    C. skinneri is now Guarianthe skinneri but my tags still read Cattleya. I'm not changing them. It can be very confusing.
    Your plants are lovely and well grown

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    Thanks for the compliment on the plants Cathy I had to report the skinneri hybrid but I'm trying to make it a specimen so I didn't divide the plant .

    I believe bowringiana has also been reclassified its confusing

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    Quote Originally Posted by orchids^_^ View Post
    In this case, all the catts you have a hybrids, you have some were it is a hybrid x a Species, but the hybrid x species is still a hybrid. (because it's just adding a parent). Alex

    Have to disagree with you, Alex. Glenn's first catt listed would still be a species. Cattleya labiata (note the "l" in "labiata" should be written in lower case) is a species. Cattleya labiata v rubra Schiller is just a varietal name for a particular individual/type of that same species. Therefore Cattleya labiata v rubra Schiller x C. labiata is simply a cross of two individuals of the same species. This, then, is still a species not a hybrid.

    The others are all hybrids with Cattleya Astraea 'Ginny' being the only primary hybrid (Cattleya skinneri x Cattleya loddigesii) of those mentioned.

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    No matter what you call them, those are some beautiful and well grown orchids. Good job.

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