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Ascocentrum... maybe? any id ideas?

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    Good to have an id !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloamey View Post
    After how many beers LOL !!!
    Lol Amey,
    unfortunately i was sober. I dont know, i just looked outside my window and first thing i saw Cymb.finlaysonianum, hence the hint.

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    Great bit of id guesswork here I think . Asctm - no - the spike is wrong and so are the leaves, and not enough, anyway. Vandopsis ? maybe, but they they too usually need more leaves than this to spike - for me, anyway - although the sort of dimesnions I suspect are nearer to being right here..
    Potted all wrong ? sure - vandaceous spikes don't like to emerge from below the compost.
    Rhyncho ? I like that one - they do flower on very few leaves, and from real low down on the plant but the leaves here are smoother and shinier than on any I grow - and there are I think only 3 or 4 different species and I have several examples of them all.
    I suspect something quite different, which is not perhaps in general cultivation for some reason - and look forward to seeing the flowers.

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    I would hazard a guess and say it's Hygrochilus (Vandopsis) parishii, seeing that it's spiking on such a 'small' plant. I have seen Vandopsis gigantea in the wild in Langkawi Island and they are enormous plants and so are lissochiloides I have seen in collections and nurseries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catttan View Post
    I would hazard a guess and say it's Hygrochilus (Vandopsis) parishii, seeing that it's spiking on such a 'small' plant. I have seen Vandopsis gigantea in the wild in Langkawi Island and they are enormous plants and so are lissochiloides I have seen in collections and nurseries.
    I have flowered that on 3 pairs of leaves in the past.

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    i LOVE having you guys around!!! yall are the best! i just love hearing the experience and knowledge that comes pouring out of yall!!! thanks so much!

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    I agree with Yew Sung and Michael. I can't wait to see the bloom photos, Shane.

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    Seems too small to be Vandopsis gigantea and too large to be Hygrochilus parishii ... and both plants have naturally very dark green leaves (although that is culture dependent and a bad indicator, I know) that are wider compared to their overall length than the leaves on your plant. My guess would be a young Rhynchostylis ... not gigantea, the leaves are not wide enough, not coelestis, the leaves are not curved enough ... I think it could be a young Rhynchostylis retusa.

    If you could photograph the tips of the leaves, that would be quite helpful. Rhynchostylis have very retuse (hence the species name ) and unequally lobed leaf tips, whereas in Vandopsis and Hygrochilus the tips are more equally lobed.

    This "guessing game" is strangely exciting. Can't wait to see the fully open flowers now!

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    No, it is not a retusa for sure (100% sure) I have 30 Rhynchostylis retusas collected through out their geographical range from the Indian subcontinent all the way to Thailand. None look like this nor do they produce a spike like this. This spike is characteristic of a young R. gigantea. I would still back my earlier hypo thesis that it is a R. gigantea hybrid. But I am leaning to believe that it is a Vandopsis, but never seen such a small one bloom before.
    Quote Originally Posted by serama View Post
    Seems too small to be Vandopsis gigantea and too large to be Hygrochilus parishii ... and both plants have naturally very dark green leaves (although that is culture dependent and a bad indicator, I know) that are wider compared to their overall length than the leaves on your plant. My guess would be a young Rhynchostylis ... not gigantea, the leaves are not wide enough, not coelestis, the leaves are not curved enough ... I think it could be a young Rhynchostylis retusa.

    If you could photograph the tips of the leaves, that would be quite helpful. Rhynchostylis have very retuse (hence the species name ) and unequally lobed leaf tips, whereas in Vandopsis and Hygrochilus the tips are more equally lobed.

    This "guessing game" is strangely exciting. Can't wait to see the fully open flowers now!

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    loving this debate, i'll get some more detailed leaf and spike pics up as soon as i get home from work... and if all else fails, i'll go corner the vendor this saturday and try to get a name out of him! thanks yall for all the input!

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